Still incredible to me that there is a Senator named Dud Doolittle, he must just be fantastic at his job because that name is a albatross.Kansas
2. Dudley Doolittle (D) (1913)
3. George H. Hodges (D) (1909)
Still incredible to me that there is a Senator named Dud Doolittle, he must just be fantastic at his job because that name is a albatross.Kansas
2. Dudley Doolittle (D) (1913)
3. George H. Hodges (D) (1909)
Apocryphal Al Smith story - during the 1928 campaign, he took his campaign to the Deep South. The Klan - not fans of his - greeted his train crossing Mason-Dixon by lighting dozens of crosses in the hills around it. Smith looked out the window, saw all the burning crucifixes, laughed, turned to a Jewish campaign staffer who was in the car with him, and said "Look - that must be for you!"To be fair - conspiracy theory or not, that sounds badass and I suddenly want to wish Governor Al Smith the best in his efforts
In fairness, Michelsen being a Governor limits his impact on Dems in Philly being able to pursue an agenda.Just imagine how much more they'd get done if the Dems in New York and Minnesota didn't shit the bed and botch completely winnable elections against Wadsworth and Michelsen in 1920.
Well putBut I'm impatient!!!!!
Nah, it was an idea that came to me. I figue they're both young scions of established political familes, both fought in the war (the only reason Phil didn't enlist in the marines in OTL was because his Father put as much pressure on him as he possibly could to dissuade him from joining in WWI; a scenerio that is not going to play out in the ATL where the US is fighting after having been sneak attacked. And even in OTL, Phil joined the army and served in MacArthur's staff during WW2), and are largely going to be the face of the next generation of Progressive Democrats. So, I just have this weird sense of the two of them actually getting along quite well and developing a strong friendship: which is all the more ironic because the two were also noted as being the most like their respective fathers of all their siblings (well, Alice was maybe even more like her Dad than Quinton was, come to think of it. So lets say: brothers)
I think this is a great explanation and another reason why I don't feel that going the route I am with Canada is that unrealistic. There were some very good reasons for Franco-Canadians to not like the Anglos, and there were also understandable reasons considering the nature of the Quebecois clergy for Anglos to be... more than a little worried about Franco intentions.Some of it is odd Protestant shit, but the source is more banal.
For Canada, at least, a lot of our Prot settlers were Ulster Scots and extremely Tory United Empire Loyalists. Settler populations sitting on hostile majorities are always going to be paranoid, and that always comes out weird if you keep it up for long enough. They naturally import those prejudices and attitudes and, through the Orange Order, magnify them.
On top of that, Canada has a huge, culturally alien, and fairly organized Catholic population right there. Canada was won through conquest and - on the East Coast - ethnic cleansing of French populations and the theft of their land. The population split was 50-50 through the 19th century, often leaning in favor of Lower Canada - Anglos were sometimes a minority until the absorption of the Maritimes, which had their own far worse patterns of French dispossession and ultra-Loyalism. It basically comes down to a ruthless struggle to maintain social supremacy and control access to land and resources against an opponent with a higher fertility rate and deep social organization of its own. And if you're holding people down, you sort of know that they resent you for it, and you're conspiring against them, of course you assume they're conspiring against you. Because you're neurotic about them already, your paranoia increasingly gets out of hand.
Probably didn't help for Canada that you actually did have Louis Riel (a hero who WILL NOT BE BESMIRCHED) calling for the establishment of a visionary Catholic republic, Irish nationalist brigades repeatedly invading from America with the connivance of the New York Democratic Party, and the world's most reactionary ultramontaine clergy in Quebec constantly quoting de Maistre and exhorting their flock to breed as much as possible so that there are 100 million Canadiens by 2000, ready to demographically overwhelm the Anglos, establish a Cattraditionalist regime, and redeem the decadence of old world Catholicism with the faith of the new. Quebec also hasn't had its Liberal turn, with its Laurier Liberal promise of "hey what if we all just leave each other alone to do our own things, which is praying, farming, and going to law school for the French and exploiting cheap Catholic labour for Anglos".
Also this is one of the funniest things I've read in some time hahaSo yeah, you need some mechanism to ideologically justify your holding of power that isn't just "they'll take our shit like we took theirs", as well as to sublimate really grotty personal and communal self-interest into a grand narrative, so you start mythologizing and end up with "Al Smith wants to use Fenian shock troops to make Canada into a new Ireland and move the Vatican to the Delaware."
With a name like that I had to pick him to serve some role, lol.Still incredible to me that there is a Senator named Dud Doolittle, he must just be fantastic at his job because that name is a albatross.
That's a great quip from Smith, hahaApocryphal Al Smith story - during the 1928 campaign, he took his campaign to the Deep South. The Klan - not fans of his - greeted his train crossing Mason-Dixon by lighting dozens of crosses in the hills around it. Smith looked out the window, saw all the burning crucifixes, laughed, turned to a Jewish campaign staffer who was in the car with him, and said "Look - that must be for you!"
I'll let @Fleurs de Merde answer that one, but I'll just say if you're ever quoting de Maistre, you're pretty freaking reactionaryWait, how reactionary is the clergy and some Quebecois? I did some cursory reading on Maurice du Plessis and the Union Nationale government that seemed rather conservative, but I don't know if they would be integralist-adjacent.
Montreal was small-l liberal. But things were Weird.Wait, how reactionary is the clergy and some Quebecois? I did some cursory reading on Maurice du Plessis and the Union Nationale government that seemed rather conservative, but I don't know if they would be integralist-adjacent.
Some of the sting might be taken out by Crerar - a key driver was deep and abiding poverty among the farmers that worsened through neglect and the farm crisis, and the increasing need for interventionist government - but yeah at some point if Torydom isn't confronted and rooted out you might get some really "neat" stuff. Also depends heavily on broader Catholicism - the world Church didn't really reconcile its ambiguities on democracy and shift decisively towards personalism until after WW2.Thanks for the response, so it seems the ground is tilled for some degree of integralism to take root in Quebec.
That's the hardest phrase I have ever seen in this website, holy shit."Consider it, if you will, the mark of your atonement, and the price of your forgiveness,"
!!! The hell!Montreal was small-l liberal. But things were Weird.
A young Pierre Trudeau was the frontman for a dilletante pro-Vichy right-wing revolutionary cell aiming to spark a revolution and establish an integralist Laurentian Republic. He ran a campaign for an anti-war candidate in 1940, lost, blamed Jews, and then spent his time trying to get Adrien Arcand out of jail. He was pretty typical of his class and type.
That's the hardest phrase I have ever seen in this website, holy shit.
Honestly, it surprises me with all this going on, that the Quiet Revolution wasn't... louder (credit that one to @Rattigan haha). The circumstances for Canada to go Full Northern Ireland aren't quite there, I don't think, but close.The Quebec bishops often self-consciously referred to themselves as "ultramontaine", and French-Canadian nationalist literature was pretty "european". As late as the 60s, rural Quebec was electing Réal Calouette, a creditiste who had a framed photo of Mussolini in his office. Really horrid shit.
If the McCarthy line can prevail, Duplessis seems exactly the kind of man who could work well with, say, a Prime Minister George Drew, or maybe a Diefenbaker type who could give a shit about the Orange establishment back east.It's just that the Church itself was, as part of the bargain with the Anglos, politically quietist- it didn't disturb Anglo economic dominance, and in return was allowed to maintain its privileged position as an instrument of Francophone cultural and linguistic survival. It's intense reactionism came with a deep fatalism about British power and a devotion to "la survivance" above all else. Duplessis was an ex-Tory who absorbed the agrarian provincial wing of the Liberals. He wasa right-populist, and a pretty bleak reactionist, but he was also deeply pragmatic and allied strongly with the federal Liberal machine.
Bingo. Jacques Parizeau may come to be a moderate amongst the men who eventually lead Quebec out of Canada, IOW.It's not until the 50s and 60s that the Church suddenly absorbs a lot of Jacques Maritain and grows a social conscience, and the Francophone public grows an assertive, distinctly Quebecois, social-democratic "national" consciousness. ITTL, with the French Empire as a pole of attraction and anti-Catholic Tories trampling the grand bargain, you may get broad French "national" consciousness far sooner, and on that agrarian-corporatist illiberal line.
Thanks for the response, so it seems the ground is tilled for some degree of integralism to take root in Quebec.
Crerar will help, some, though he seems ill-equipped to do anything other than strike something of a grand bargain with the Duplessis school of nationalism to "leave be" their separate quarters of Canada.Some of the sting might be taken out by Crerar - a key driver was deep and abiding poverty among the farmers that worsened through neglect and the farm crisis, and the increasing need for interventionist government - but yeah at some point if Torydom isn't confronted and rooted out you might get some really "neat" stuff. Also depends heavily on broader Catholicism - the world Church didn't really reconcile its ambiguities on democracy and shift decisively towards personalism until after WW2.
Thank you! I was quite proud of it.That's the hardest phrase I have ever seen in this website, holy shit.
Any sources?A young Pierre Trudeau was the frontman for a dilletante pro-Vichy right-wing revolutionary cell aiming to spark a revolution and establish an integralist Laurentian Republic. He ran a campaign for an anti-war candidate in 1940, lost, blamed Jews, and then spent his time trying to get Adrien Arcand out of jail.
Drawn from vol. 1 of John English's magisterial Pierre Trudeau bio. A lot of it was that classic thing where everyone in their 20s slightly smarter than their friends becomes convinced they're a political visionary. It's sort of embarrassing, especially for his admirers, but he spent his whole young life fucking about. Plenty of brains as a young man, but little sense.Any sources?
I personally couldnt find any asserting this fact.
Four Boroughs, did I miss Staten Island remaining outside?"...Root had lived through the infamously dire 1902 elections, which on paper were worse, but 1918 felt much more like a wholesale rejection. In 1902, at least, the explanations were more benign from his point of view - enormous demographic changes in the electorate over the last fifteen years, the end of the Democratic-Populist split which Liberals had come to lazily rely on, a party machinery that was atrophied and out of new ideas for appealing to the electorate, and a whole host of other small problems that had consolidated over twenty years before finally the dam burst all once.
The condition of the Republic in 1918 was very different. The frustration, the anger, the economic malaise, the spread of disease; it all felt different in a way that the realigning factors of 1902-04 did not. This was not a correction from Liberals winning in districts and states they had no business winning; this was Massachusetts, the rock-ribbed stronghold of yellow Brahmin Liberalism, flipping to usher in not just another Irish-American to the governor's mansion but two of them to the United States Senate, permanently changing assumptions about that state and badly kneecapping the Liberal patronage on which its party bosses had grown fat on being accustomed to. Democrats had expanded margins where they had majorities and flipped to new majorities where they lacked them; only California retained any Congressmen of the party West of the Mississippi, and in Idaho, Wyoming and Dakota, not a single Liberal would sit in either house of their state legislatures, while Colorado, Montana and New Mexico would have awfully lonely Liberal state house caucuses of one.
A few days after the smoke cleared from the carnage, a reporter asked Root for his thoughts as he prepared to return home to New York to celebrate Thanksgiving; Root quipped, "Well, we'll see if they let me off the train when I arrive." Newspapers announced the results as a "Revolution of 1918," and considering the constitutional reforms and policy changes just a few years away, they might not have been entirely wrong. Root would of course not appear on the ballot in 1920, so the 1918 results are the closest one gets to a referendum on the man himself; and it was an utter repudiation, one even he understood..."
- The Root of the Problem: The Tumultuous Term of America's 29th President
"...some concerns that the massive wave of tenant strikes that had begun during the atypically cold winter would carry on to foretell a Socialist landslide in the city; this did not occur, and indeed Smith carried many of the same precincts that Hillquit had dominated just a year earlier, even as Socialist Assemblymen carried them for the first time. The margin was not even close - Smith dispatched Whitman with close to a twenty-point margin, carrying every county south of Albany by double-digit margins as well as Erie and coming close to flipping the Liberal stronghold of Monroe, home to Rochester. Democrats won a supermajority in both houses of the State Legislature, and Socialists won double-digit seats in the Assembly; it was going to be a very different Albany that awaited Smith as he transitioned into the Governor's mansion, and the ability to pursue an ambitious policy agenda that addressed many of the issues brought up by the rent-strikers would be possible.
Smith was now New York's first Catholic Governor, a sea change in how the state operated and made him, overnight, a national figure; almost as soon as ballots were done being counted across the four boroughs, newspapers were already asking if he would be the first Catholic to occupy the Presidency as well. That was a question for another day, of course, with celebrations to be had and a new dawn in Albany to break - but it was certainly a question that Smith was already asking himself, too..."
- The Happy Warrior
Well, yea,...I could see Lodge making a gallant attempt at the 1920 Convention, but the party will likely balk at the idea of anybody that closely connected to an administration that if polling was a thing, would poll about as well as chlamydia (yes, I used that joke in BCM; no, I don’t care haha)
He's probally recouping right nowThat said, I'm wondering now. What is Strom Thurmond up to at the moment, because South Carolina will need another villain soon, and clearly we need another Senate pro-temp who will hold the seat for 50000 years...lol (granted hes only like, 17 at the moment, but still.)