AHC: Make pro wrestling popular in more countries

As a fan of the form of entertainment known as professional wrestling, this topic is something I've pondered for a little while. Pro wrestling, consisting of scripted matches where "good guy" wrestlers (called "babyfaces") fight "bad guy" wrestlers (called "heels"), is a unique form of entertainment that combines the athleticism of sports with the over-the-top drama and theatrics of plays or performance art. Rather than actually trying to fight and hurt each other into submission (as in Mixed Martial Arts), pro wrestling is all about the drama of matches as the wrestlers try to make it LOOK like they're hurting each other, but with the real intention of conveying a dramatic, athletic fight in the ring and telling stories of feuds and conflicts between the babyfaces and heels. It originated in travelling carnivals of the 19th century, as strongman wrestlers would be scripted to dominate challengers in scripted wrestling "matches," but as the world of media developed, it has today become a multi-million dollar industry that has become widely known as a "male soap opera," so to speak, and has carved its niche in the entertainment world.

However, in OTL, there are only three main parts of the world where pro wrestling is close to being a mainstream, popular form of entertainment. They are:

1. The United States/Canada (both countries have long shared the same market). In the early 20th century, the carnival entertainment of olden times evolved into an embryonic form of the arena-filling spectacle it would become. It would be in the 1950's, with the advent of telivision, that American pro wrestling would experience its first boom, with the first major wrestling star being Gorgeous George, who shocked and outraged fans with his outrageous and extravagant character and dandified, almost effeminate mannerisms that was a loud contrast to the culture of post-WWII America. For a long time, North American pro wrestling was largely divided by regions, until the 1980's, when Vince McMahon's World Wrestling Federation began to expand out of the American Northeast to buyout other American and Canadian markets and become the dominant wrestling promotion on the continent. American pro wrestling would go on to have two major boom periods, first in the 1980's and then in the late 90's, making wrestlers like Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, and Stone Cold Steve Austin household names.

2. Japan. Puroresu (as it's called in Japanese) had been introduced into the country before World War II, but it really began to take off in the 1950's with the rise of Rikidozan, who became a Japanese national hero in the entertainment world for standing up to and fighting American wrestlers, giving Japanese audiences an emotional outlet in the midst of postwar defeat and demoralization (though, ironically, Rikidozan was actually Korean-born, which is a bit of a dirty little badly-kept secret, considering the issues of discrimination in Japanese society). Though Rikidozan would be tragically murdered in 1963 due to a dispute with the Yakuza, Japanese pro wrestling continued to build on his legacy in the second half of the 20th century, booming alongside its American counter part in the 80's and 90's. Today, New Japan Pro Wrestling, founded by wrestling legend Antonio Inoki, is the number one promotion in Japan, with several other promotions not far behind.

3. Mexico. Called Lucha Libre (Spanish for "free fighting") in that country, wrestling first consolidated there in the 1930's following the establishment of Salvador Lutteroth's Empresa Mexicana de Lucha Libre (today known as the Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre, or CMLL, which to this day remains the oldest wrestling promotion still in business). It would be in the 1940's when Mexican wrestling would find its first and greatest breakout star, a silver-masked luchador known as El Santo, whose mystique and athleticism in the ring quickly made him a hero among Mexican wrestling fans, who embraced his character as a hero of the common man and a courageous fighter for justice. When El Santo passed away in 1984, hordes of people flocked to his funeral to pay tribute in what many have called one of the biggest funerals in Mexican history. Today, Lucha Libre remains a staple of Mexican culture, conveying a unique style of pro wrestling that emphasizes a high-flying, fast-paced, acrobatic style of in-ring competition.

But aside from these three countries, pro wrestling doesn't have that much popularity in the rest of the world. In Western Europe and Australia, there are a few small promotions (particularly in the U.K. and Germany), but they don't enjoy as much mainstream appeal, and in any event, wrestling fandom in that region tends to be dominated by American wrestling companies like World Wrestling Entertainmant (formerly known as the World Wrestling Federation). South Korea has a fledgling wrestling industry, but it isn't quite well known, and similarly to Europe with American wrestling, has heavy Japanese influence. And in major potential markets like Russia or China, pro wrestling is virtually unknown, though foreign promotions have attempted to penetrate those markets in recent years.

So, I challenge you to change this. Make professional wrestling a more mainstream form of entertainment in places where it does not in OTL enjoy as much broad fandom. Whether it's Europe (either one country or the entire continent), Russia, China, India, Africa, South America, Australia, or any corner of the world you can think of, how can pro wrestling catch on and become a popular, home-grown form of entertainment, as it is in North America, Mexico, and Japan IOTL? What would be necessary to bring about the cultural changes in which it could become popular?
 
British Wrestling really began to falter because of one of its biggest stars. Big Daddy. Instead of retiring and making way for a younger generation of stars and better wrestlers (Davey Boy Smith, Gentleman Chris Adams, Dynamite Kid and Steven (now William) Regal, all of whom would become stars in North America and or Japan). they kept pushing Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks long past their primes. ITV got tired of it and canceled their television and they never got back on. If Joint Promotions\All Star had started pushing a new big star to replace Big Daddy, they would've stayed on TV. The WWF drew a huge crowd in Wembley Stadium not five years after ITV cancelled wrestling and WWF was on Sky Sports. Wrestling never really went out of style in Britain, they just needed a new star and TV.
 
Not only does the Communist Bloc snap somehow into thinking that they need to have their own bigger and badder professional wrestling league, but then each Soviet Socialist Republic and Warsaw Pact member are compelled to come up with their own set of pro wrestling stars with indigenous identifying traits.
 
I doubt that the 'Hollywoodness' of the WWE would appeal to much of Europe, for instance. The big game there is soccer, which most people have actually played (as kids if nothing else), and game fixing is a scandal. There is a difference between 'scripting' and 'game fixing' I know, but...

The other popular sports are car racing and (in Spain) bullfights, which appeal to the bloodthirsty types hoping for 'excitement'. The fake violence of pro 'wrestling' wouldn't appeal to that segment, either.

Of course, I'm probably wrong, and it's just a marketing failure. Sigh!

[I've never understood pro wresting. Pro Hockey or Pro Football or Pro Boxing or whatever is the same game as the amateur version. Why did wrestling go all weird?]
 
I doubt that the 'Hollywoodness' of the WWE would appeal to much of Europe, for instance. The big game there is soccer, which most people have actually played (as kids if nothing else), and game fixing is a scandal. There is a difference between 'scripting' and 'game fixing' I know, but...

I think your confusion stems from thinking of it as a sport. Pro wrestling is performance theatre - it has far more in common with a stage play or ballet than it does with boxing or football. It's an athletic morality play at it's core. Any outrage at it's fixed nature would be like national uproar over the Twilight films being scripted.
 
If the boys in my class considered the fake-violence to be silly when they were something like nine years old, having them liking it as teens or even adults would require a huge cultural shift.
 

Thande

Donor
The WWE or WWF or whatever it was back then was pretty popular in the early 90s in the UK, but it was a passing fad. As Drcynic said, we used to have our own wrestling scene which was somewhat more serious, and the established fanbase couldn't adapt to the US version which is really just a fantastic soap opera with more fighting than usual. The kids liked it because they could buy Hulk Hogan action figures, but it didn't penetrate to the point that it could establish a lasting fanbase.
 
I think your confusion stems from thinking of it as a sport. Pro wrestling is performance theatre - it has far more in common with a stage play or ballet than it does with boxing or football. It's an athletic morality play at it's core. Any outrage at it's fixed nature would be like national uproar over the Twilight films being scripted.
Well, yes it is that. But the people I know who follow it seem to pretend it's a sport. Which always confused me.
 

sharlin

Banned
Wrestling use to be pritty big (quite literally, see the pic below) in the UK in the 70s and 80s but American wrestling replaced it but it never really caught on like it has in the US.

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Big Daddy vs the Giant Haystack.
 
Wrestling is well known as a cyclical business, and in general it goes through boom and bust periods. The last boom was the "Attitude Era" which started around 1997 and went on until late 2004. (Before tht it was the Hogan boom of the 80s)

At the moment, from a creative point of view, it's going through a stagnant period. WWE is the major wrestling organisation in the world and has no real competition at a global level. Financially, it's actually doing quite well, with annual profits around the $50 million mark (And that's with lots of money wasting projects such as making films that are truly awful!)

Despite the recent creative stagnation, WWE remains popular in the UK. They do two big tours per year in the UK, selling out wherever they go. There is certainly potential for it to be bigger than it is.

The two main problems are:

1. Too much talk and not enough wrestling. I used to be a fanatical WWE fan, but I stopped watching it a while ago, because in a two hour prime time show, you were lucky to get 30 minutes of actual wrestling. The rest was needless hype. If I was someone watching a wrestling show for the first time, I wouldn't be entertained by it in the slightest by the product as it is at the moment.

2. Public opinion. People think that because the outcome is pre-determined that the whole thing is "fake" when that's far from the truth. Most wrestling matches, with the exception of the finish are made up as they go along by the wrestlers (something that's a hugely underrated skill - imagine two stage actors doing a 20 minute set with no script and making it look seamless!). Bumps and injuries are common (Being slammed to the mat is the equivalent to being rear-ended at 20mph) there are no holidays or off season and a wrestler has an extremely gruelling schedule of travel and training. People don't know this though and think that it's "just big men in spandex rolling around with each other" (This was partly brought about by images like the one sharlin posted earlier)

If wrestling shows were more about the actual wrestling and if the general public has an idea of what a wrestler actually goes through to perform his match, I think there would be a bigger respect for the "sport" in general. Perhaps if Sky Sports or one of the terrestrial channels in the UK did a sort of sympathetic expose of wrestling sometime in the 90s that got nationwide attention, that could have changed public opinion and made it more acceptable to appreciate than it currently is.

One last thing to add. Whenever people say to me: "Well, it's not real though, is it?" I say: "It's as real as you want it to be." Wrestling is all about suspension of disbelief. The closest actual sport I can relate it to is figure skating. In this, two people go out into an arena in front of a live crowd, perform a pre-determined routine for the entertainment of the crowd and are judged by the crowd on the quality of their performance.

EDIT: That may have been the longest post I've ever written! This is one area I actually know something about!
 
The WWE remains very popular in Britain but in the rest of Europe people at least the people I know that used to watch Pro Wrestling turned to watch more UFC. If there is a way to raise WWE popularity in Europe it would have been if for exemple the British Bulldog would have won the WWF Championship back in the day. I think it is such a shame the Bulldog was never a world Champion same for William Regal. Recently we had the first European born world Champion in Sheamus but even that is not enough. However I could see Wade Barrett eventually pulling through the glass celling and become the WWE Champion. But be the man? I don't know.
 
The UK has the potential to retain its own homegrown wrestling background and I think there's a timeframe to do it with a POD. Basically have ITV keep the World of Sports wrestling into the early 90's where SummerSlam '92 takes place. Once Davey Boy Smith leaves the WWF due to the steroid scandal, he can make the leap there and the company would have its biggest homegrown star coming off the back of selling out Wembley Stadium. That'd be a solid foundation to keep the wrestling scene running for a few years providing they don't WCW it.
 
The UK has the potential to retain its own homegrown wrestling background and I think there's a timeframe to do it with a POD. Basically have ITV keep the World of Sports wrestling into the early 90's where SummerSlam '92 takes place. Once Davey Boy Smith leaves the WWF due to the steroid scandal, he can make the leap there and the company would have its biggest homegrown star coming off the back of selling out Wembley Stadium. That'd be a solid foundation to keep the wrestling scene running for a few years providing they don't WCW it.

And if Davey Boy Smith returns there why not have Bret the Hitman Hart join his brother-in-law. In fact why not have the majority of the Stampede wrestlers join the British scene and have a sort of alliance between it and Canadian Stampede.
 
And if Davey Boy Smith returns there why not have Bret the Hitman Hart join his brother-in-law. In fact why not have the majority of the Stampede wrestlers join the British scene and have a sort of alliance between it and Canadian Stampede.

Bret was still employed by the WWF and I doubt he'd hop over to the UK to play second fiddle when he was due for a Championship run. You'd probably have some British talent making a return like Regal and maybe an Owen Hart/Benoit appearance at some point but the major names of the US will probably stick to home ground.

Although if the British option proves to be well paid enough, you probably would see some more US faces showing up over time, if only due to the less hectic travelling schedule that the UK scene could provide.
 
Not only does the Communist Bloc snap somehow into thinking that they need to have their own bigger and badder professional wrestling league, but then each Soviet Socialist Republic and Warsaw Pact member are compelled to come up with their own set of pro wrestling stars with indigenous identifying traits.

I'd say there's potential. :p

Wrestling is well known as a cyclical business, and in general it goes through boom and bust periods. The last boom was the "Attitude Era" which started around 1997 and went on until late 2004. (Before tht it was the Hogan boom of the 80s)

At the moment, from a creative point of view, it's going through a stagnant period. WWE is the major wrestling organisation in the world and has no real competition at a global level. Financially, it's actually doing quite well, with annual profits around the $50 million mark (And that's with lots of money wasting projects such as making films that are truly awful!)

Despite the recent creative stagnation, WWE remains popular in the UK. They do two big tours per year in the UK, selling out wherever they go. There is certainly potential for it to be bigger than it is.

The two main problems are:

1. Too much talk and not enough wrestling. I used to be a fanatical WWE fan, but I stopped watching it a while ago, because in a two hour prime time show, you were lucky to get 30 minutes of actual wrestling. The rest was needless hype. If I was someone watching a wrestling show for the first time, I wouldn't be entertained by it in the slightest by the product as it is at the moment.

2. Public opinion. People think that because the outcome is pre-determined that the whole thing is "fake" when that's far from the truth. Most wrestling matches, with the exception of the finish are made up as they go along by the wrestlers (something that's a hugely underrated skill - imagine two stage actors doing a 20 minute set with no script and making it look seamless!). Bumps and injuries are common (Being slammed to the mat is the equivalent to being rear-ended at 20mph) there are no holidays or off season and a wrestler has an extremely gruelling schedule of travel and training. People don't know this though and think that it's "just big men in spandex rolling around with each other" (This was partly brought about by images like the one sharlin posted earlier)

If wrestling shows were more about the actual wrestling and if the general public has an idea of what a wrestler actually goes through to perform his match, I think there would be a bigger respect for the "sport" in general. Perhaps if Sky Sports or one of the terrestrial channels in the UK did a sort of sympathetic expose of wrestling sometime in the 90s that got nationwide attention, that could have changed public opinion and made it more acceptable to appreciate than it currently is.

One last thing to add. Whenever people say to me: "Well, it's not real though, is it?" I say: "It's as real as you want it to be." Wrestling is all about suspension of disbelief. The closest actual sport I can relate it to is figure skating. In this, two people go out into an arena in front of a live crowd, perform a pre-determined routine for the entertainment of the crowd and are judged by the crowd on the quality of their performance.

EDIT: That may have been the longest post I've ever written! This is one area I actually know something about!

Yeah, those are two pretty big issues with present-day American pro wrestling. Most of it steming from the simple fact that the WWE has what is pretty much a monopoly over the North American wrestling industry, and has gotten lazy and complacent. Back in the Attitude Era of the late 90's-early 2000's, the whole reason they put on blowout shows was because they had serious competition in World Championship Wrestling (WCW) breathing down their necks. There was even a time in the mid-late 90's when WCW had surpassed the WWF as the number one American wrestling company, and the WWF was close to going out of business.

To address the issue of current wrestling's overemphasis on soap opera-ness over in-ring competition, it might be worth considering the oft-speculated scenario of WCW winning the Monday Night Wars and putting the WWF out of business. Although, considering the clusterfuck way in which that company was run in OTL, you've got to wonder what the worst case scenario would be if they had ended up being the monopolistic top dog the WWE is now.

(For those of you who don't follow wrestling, World Championship Wrestling used to be the WWF's biggest competitor; while the WWF/WWE has its roots in the American Northeast, NYC region, WCW had its roots in the South-it's predecessor was Jim Crockett Promotions, a promotion based in the Carolinas, and its headquarters was in Atlanta, where it was owned by Ted Turner and was a subsidiary in his media empire (meaning that WCW enjoyed a near-limitless supply of corporate financial backing). WCW (and Southern wrestling in general) had always put more emphasis on in-ring athleticism and competition, as opposed to the WWF's more colorful and over-the-top entertainment focus. But, following a brief period where WCW dominated the ratings, they quickly declined and went out of business in 2001, due to a brutal combination of incompetent management, internal politics and infighting, and stagnancy.)

The point about the awareness of what wrestlers go through is interesting, but it's ironic that many people within the wrestling business claim that the opposite is the problem: that because more and more fans are aware that wrestling is scripted and planned out, nobody can suspend their disbelief anymore. Promotions clung with their life to maintaining Kayfabe (the word in the wrestling business which describes the illusion of everything happening being "real"), but that became impossible with the Internet. I agree that more people SHOULD be made aware about the realities of how wrestling is put together and what it entails for the participants, though it might be a mixed bag as to whether it contributes to or hinders its appeal.

Anyway, some good ideas so far in regards to British wrestling. I think that's definitely something worth considering, if Big Daddy had retired gracefully and the promotions had stayed on TV. It's the sort of outcome I'm looking for: different parts of the world besides America, Japan, and Mexico having their own, home grown wrestling industries which remain popular in their home markets.

It's not necessarily about having WWE-style sports entertainment be more popular throughout the world. It's certainly true that such an often cartoonish, soap opera-like presentation will have difficulty catching on in other cultures. But that's why wrestling is different in other countries, rather than just copies of the WWE: in Japan, over-the-top gimmicks and convoluted storylines didn't catch on, so Japanese home-grown Puroresu took on a different identity: a more straightforward, athleticism-based presentation where matches were presented as more serious performances of hard-hitting competition, martial arts, and fast-paced impressive movesets, and the stories and feuds are more often then not simply about fighting spirit and the desires of the wrestling characters to be the best in the promotion, defeat all-comers, and become the champion. Mexican Lucha Libre developed a very distinct style, distinguished by wrestlers wearing colorful outfits and, in particular, decorative, superhero-like masks which give them a distinct identity in their gimmick. The in-ring competition is very acrobatic and high-flying, with lots of great leaps in the air, somersaults, and fast-paced, agile moves. The storylines often pit teams of good guys versus bad guys, rather than simply individual wrestlers, against each other, and the storyline feuds become intense fights for honor between opposing factions.

These two styles are certainly distinct from stereotypical, WWE-dominated American pro wrestling, and thus they were more successful within their respective cultures. Internationally, pro wrestling can be very diverse in its styles and approaches to presentation. That's largely why I'm looking for ways in which pro wrestling can retain or gain a presence in more countries than in OTL: to wonder what other home-grown international wrestling cultures could be possible.
 
British Wrestling really began to falter because of one of its biggest stars. Big Daddy. Instead of retiring and making way for a younger generation of stars and better wrestlers (Davey Boy Smith, Gentleman Chris Adams, Dynamite Kid and Steven (now William) Regal, all of whom would become stars in North America and or Japan). they kept pushing Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks long past their primes. ITV got tired of it and canceled their television and they never got back on. If Joint Promotions\All Star had started pushing a new big star to replace Big Daddy, they would've stayed on TV. The WWF drew a huge crowd in Wembley Stadium not five years after ITV cancelled wrestling and WWF was on Sky Sports. Wrestling never really went out of style in Britain, they just needed a new star and TV.

It's not fair to blame Shirley Crabtree or the Giant Haystack for the decline of British Wrestling. As they got older they didn't hog the spotlight like they used to. Both of them competed more often in Tag Team matches than singles match and their partners were usually rotated between the many young rising stars in Britain. This was an attempt to raise the profile of the younger stars by putting them in the ring with the most established stars.

The problem was that WWF and WCW could produce a standard of show that British Wrestling could never dream of by pouring millions of dollars into the product. The super-shows of these companies made World of Sport look shabby and third-rate and way out of date, just as it did to many of the territories across the United States and Canada.

But, more than that, Greg Dyke saw wrestling as old-fashioned and wanted to modernize ITV and saw no place on his schedule for World of Sport Wrestling. It wasn't the way the product was shown or the stars that were used that he objected to but the wrestling product as a whole. He was no better than the Time Warner/AOL executives who looked on WCW and wrestling as low brow and an embarrassment to their network. In fact Dyke also axed Darts and Snooker at the same time for the same reason - that they didn't fit his image of a modern ITV.
 
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