AHC: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Newfoundland

During the period of direct rule over the Dominion of Newfoundland was there any potential for integration in to the United Kingdom?
Would there have been any popular support for such a thing in the Dominion?
Was the economic situation too unstable in both Newfoundland and the UK for it to be desirable?
 
Was the economic situation too unstable in both Newfoundland and the UK for it to be desirable?
It wasn't great, whilst the economy wasn't a complete disaster IIRC there was a balance of payments problem and sterling was under pressure that the government was forced to devalue the currency by 30% in 1949. Rationing on certain things had ended but clothes rationing wouldn't end until a year after the referendum in 1949, petrol was heavily rationed until 1950, sugar was rationed until 1953, meat and other foods until 1954.

Considering that the state of the Newfoundland economy was the reason they were there in the first place and that the UK would have liked them to join with Canada to help cut their expenditures after WWII there wasn't much enthusiasm to take it on, although if the question of merging with the UK had been in the referendum and won it would have been accepted. So the first challenge is to get that on the ballot either instead of or as an alternative to staying with the Commission. If you could put it off a few years until Churchill was Prime Minister you might have an easier time since it's the kind of mad romantic idea that he would of probably grasped hold of. What do people think Canada's reaction might be if Newfoundland chose joining the UK over union with them or independence?
 
That's weird - I was having the same idea, except as a pre-WW1 POD around the same time as the Home Rule squabbles in Ireland and Scotland, considering Newfoundland was one of the last areas of North America to receive responsible government, it had consistently refused to join Confederation (until of course after WW2), and Newfoundland only ever became a Dominion by proclamation in 1907 (along with New Zealand). Now that would be a TL, although how the Labrador boundary dispute would be resolved could be interesting, among others.
 
One idea I had a while back was for the Quebec Boundaries Extension Act 1912 to not happen with the land from the North-West Territories east of the Hudson Bay going to Newfoundland and Labrador, no idea how to get it to happen with a point of divergence after 1900 though. Wouldn't have much of an affect to begin with but long-term that region is where most of the large hydro-electric projects were built which if they were able to raise the capital would provide a decent income for them.
 
In the event that it was a possibility, would the US kick up a fuss about integrated British territory in the Americas? Or were relations with the UK friendly enough by the 20th century for it not to be an issue?
 
In the event that it was a possibility, would the US kick up a fuss about integrated British territory in the Americas? Or were relations with the UK friendly enough by the 20th century for it not to be an issue?

The special relationship was fairly solid in the 40s and 50s, with the exception of the Suez Crisis. So if this is happening at the same time, it could rock the boat a little more. Nothing catastrophic to the relationship, though; it was the beginning of the Cold War and there were bigger fish to fry.
 
One idea I had a while back was for the Quebec Boundaries Extension Act 1912 to not happen with the land from the North-West Territories east of the Hudson Bay going to Newfoundland and Labrador, no idea how to get it to happen with a point of divergence after 1900 though. Wouldn't have much of an affect to begin with but long-term that region is where most of the large hydro-electric projects were built which if they were able to raise the capital would provide a decent income for them.

That would create a dispute with Canada, for one. That's because that area is part of the NWT as the District of Ungava - an area of Rupert's Land that has been Canadian since 1870, when it got purchased from the Hudson's Bay Company. If Britain/Newfoundland wanted to go for that, they could, but Canada would want something in return, even if it is financial compensation. You'd still have the boundary dispute with Canada (= Québec) over Labrador in general, with Québec insisting that Newfoundland holds no claim while Canada would hold to the more "moderate" position of Newfoundland being restricted to the coastal areas only, so extending it that far would have all sorts of repercussions.

Finally, you'd still have a large Aboriginal population, most who would still speak their original language at a far higher rate than elsewhere in the UK - while most of them would be largely Inuttitut-speaking (the local pronunciation for Inuktitut) and in that case I could see synchronic digraphia like Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian/Montenegrin which most focus going towards Syllabics alongside the German-derived morphophonemic Latin orthography (based on that historically used for Greenlandic until the 1970s) introduced by the Moravian Church, there are also some communities which speak either Cree or Innu-aimun/Naskapi - the former along the Hudson Bay coast (as part of their homeland, which they call Eeyou Istchee) from Eastmain to Whapmagoostui (Waskaganish would remain Canadian) and the latter in the interior. Historically, language policy in Newfoundland was not very kind to minority languages, as least on the Rock proper, but in Labrador (at least) the indigenous languages were somewhat better preserved (but still in a precarious state). So both Native policy and language policy would be something that the UK would have to improve on, considering that Britain directly never got itself involved with it except with processing the treaties that were signed in the Crown's name.

Still, though, it would be something to see - the road not taken. Would make for something interesting, considering the whole place is at least 3x the size of England within OTL boundaries, so would go for an interesting counter-weight to Ireland and Scotland - particularly the former since much of the Newfoundland population originated from southeastern Ireland (primarily the area around Waterford) and southwestern England (primarily Devon, Dorset, and Hampshire).

In the event that it was a possibility, would the US kick up a fuss about integrated British territory in the Americas? Or were relations with the UK friendly enough by the 20th century for it not to be an issue?

That would be interesting to see. In reality, I would assume that Washington would not put up a fuss - too far away from the rest of the States and too significantly unimportant for anyone to be bothered. Not based on friendliness with the UK, but on pragmatics and practicality. Now, if we're talking the mid-20th century, the only thing the US would be worried about would be continued access to those bases set up during WW2 (i.e. Gander, Argentina, Stephenville, Goose Bay, etc.).
 
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... even if it is financial compensation.
That was the best I could think of, either the Newfoundland government or some rich eccentric local offers the Canadian government a chunk of change to buy the land. The latter seems to most likely since IIRC there wouldn't be a great economic attraction for the government at the time. Before 1900 is much easier since that just involves Britain splitting Prince Rupert's Land between Canada and Newfoundland for whatever reason when the Hudson's Bay Company surrenders its charter back to the Crown.


Finally, you'd still have a large Aboriginal population...
As well as native relations in Labrador it could have potentially interesting knock-on effects in the UK itself. If you likely have legislation dealing with the Aboriginal population and language out there then it could provide an opening/impetus for legislation regarding Welsh and Scottish Gaelic in Great Britain.
 
That was the best I could think of, either the Newfoundland government or some rich eccentric local offers the Canadian government a chunk of change to buy the land. The latter seems to most likely since IIRC there wouldn't be a great economic attraction for the government at the time. Before 1900 is much easier since that just involves Britain splitting Prince Rupert's Land between Canada and Newfoundland for whatever reason when the Hudson's Bay Company surrenders its charter back to the Crown.

Hmmm . . .

I smell a potential TL in the works. OK, my computer decided today to go off the rails (it says I have a "fan error" so I'm typing this on Mom's Kindle), and I'm in the middle of other projects ATM, but with some help ;) I could be persuaded to give this a go. I could see that it would work.

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As well as native relations in Labrador it could have potentially interesting knock-on effects in the UK itself. If you likely have legislation dealing with the Aboriginal population and language out there then it could provide an opening/impetus for legislation regarding Welsh and Scottish Gaelic in Great Britain.

Now that would be interesting.
 
As I recall the concept was discussed in the 1830s as well though nothing much came of it.

Really if Britain wants a stronger grasp on the provinces one would think she would have opted for something like Ontario!

But it isn't unworkable, though I think in terms of Artic expansion the better thing to do would be a POD prior to the Canadian purchase of the Hundson's Bay Land. Although Canada was mostly interested in the southern territories I'm not sure why the HBC would hold onto the north, and I can't see why London would want to assume direct responsibility either.

Still Newfoundland joining Britain is an interesting idea. Perhaps it could have a knock on affect of bringing in Malta as well.

It wouldn't effect Britain much though, it is poor and at least initially would not be of net benefit to the exchequer but it wouldn't be a real albatross either.

Put it would inevitably have a devolved legislature. Now given that Northern Ireland was underrepresented at the time because of that, I would presume, fair being fair, that the same practice would be extended to Newfoundland. It wouldn't have many seats at all.

Politically I suspect it would end up completely Tory in Westminster given that I don't think that Smallwood or many of the historical Liberals would see much benefit from getting involved with Britain's seemingly moribund Liberal Party, and socialism has never seemed to make much in the way of inroads there.
 
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