Valdemar II
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How can we get Austria to gain/regain new territories after WWI. Mostly I'm thinking about them gaining Tyrol, but maybe also Slovenia and all the territories Italy gained after WWI.
Austria get new territories after WWII
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I guess you mean South Tyrol? Tyrol still belonged to Austria the last time I checked...
Valdemar II
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There's no Tyrol until it united again from the unjust Italian occupation...
Yes I meant South Tyrol.
The only way I can see is if Austria is an actual victim of Nazi (and Italian) agressian instead of a willing participant of the Anschluss. Although Slovenia might be possible if it is clear that the rest Yugoslavia becomes part of the Russian sphere of influence, while Austria is part of the American sphere and Slovenia is liberated by the western allies (although an independent Slovenia is probably more likely).
Valdemar II
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Maybe if Stalin sees that he can't dominate Yugoslavia earlier and fear they will become a westen ally, and tries to strengthen neutral Austria to make a big hole in the potential allied defence in a poential WWIII (just as he supported a united and neutral Austria in OTL for the same reason).
The problem with that is that if Stalin can't dominate Yugoslavia, how will he be able to give Slovenia to Austria.
Valdemar II
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Make a deal with allies, and when Germany surrender much of Slovenia was in German hands, if they by the surrender is kept to keep order in Slovenia, South Tyrol and Triest, Austria can get it after the peace deal (maybe it placed under English occupation, while South Tyrol is put under French occupation.)
Id say if the Italians dont change sides, its very likely for Austria to get South Tirol and Slovenia, but hardly Istria and Rijeka (liberated by the Partisans).
I Blame Communism
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If the Austrians had actively resisted the Anschluss instead of 'bending over and taking it', the Allies would have treated the Austrians as victims. Maybe they could have a chunk of Bavaria
What Susano alludes to is the world of difference that seperates "bending over and taking it" and "whooping ecstatically whilst waving a flag and showering flowers on the "conqueror"."
There's still some pretty absurd revisionism around: I recently saw the claim that Hitler was an "honorary German" because he "loved the German state and hated the Austrian one". This is, in a 30s context, a bit like saying that I hate Scotland because I love the British state.
Max Sinister
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Silly Susano, everybody know that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian
You mean Beethoven.
Valdemar II
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Fair enough I remembered wrong, through Mozart wasn't born inside the territories of the Habsburgs either, even it lies in Austria today.
Valdemar II
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Beethoven is from Bonn, which is about as Austrian as Auckland is Australian...
It was based on the joke that the most impressive thing the Austrians ever did was convincing everybody that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler was German.
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They never had the chance. The Austrian dictator called for a plebiscite, but the Germans invaded before it could be held. The Austrian military did not resist and the Austrian leader was put in a concentration camp until 1945. So while they never did vote to be annexed, they did not really do anything to stop it. Mussolini was the only power willing to stand up for Austria, which he did in 1936, but that really had to do with limiting German recovery and keeping Austria a satellite fascist state. By 1938 the game had changed and the allies wasn't willing to fight over Austria (well, France was kind of, but Britain did not support them, so it happened).
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An Austria with South Tyrol and Slovenia is going to be significantly bigger (at least by 1.5 million or so) and wealthier, but it going to have some troubles with minority rights. Depending on what else it gets, the country might have decent access to the Mediterranean, which then increases their wealth that much more, limits Italy really not at all, and increases their independence of Germany economically in the modern era.
A country today of about 9 million people, of whom 1 million are immigrants, I could see Austria being a much more attractive spot for Eastern European immigration (which it is already). The Slovenian area is likely to attract the majority of refugees from the ex-Yugoslavia, though Vienna is still going to be quite popular. Today the nation styles itself the crossroad of Europe between East and West, which would probably be more true if Slovenia is part of country; it would likely increase the nation's involvement economically and politically in the Balkans, as the Slavic citizens are going to be a vital asset in negotiating and connecting with leaders throughout the region.
A country today of about 9 million people, of whom 1 million are immigrants, I could see Austria being a much more attractive spot for Eastern European immigration (which it is already). The Slovenian area is likely to attract the majority of refugees from the ex-Yugoslavia, though Vienna is still going to be quite popular. Today the nation styles itself the crossroad of Europe between East and West, which would probably be more true if Slovenia is part of country; it would likely increase the nation's involvement economically and politically in the Balkans, as the Slavic citizens are going to be a vital asset in negotiating and connecting with leaders throughout the region.