DBWI- Soviet Union single party dictatorship?

I did this before for Cuba and got some interesting responses, so i wanted to try something similar for the Soviets

I know this is a predominantly western forum, and therefor full of people who lean towards Capitalism, but I must admit to being someone who closely follows the elections in the USSR every time they pop up, and after the recent one saw major gains amongst the current Vanguard party, giving the Bolsheviks a supermajority for the first time in three decades, I had to wonder...

How might the Soviet Union have evolved if it had followed the path so many at the time expected, to devolve into an autocratic Dictatorship with only one party, one ideology allowed?
 
I did this before for Cuba and got some interesting responses, so i wanted to try something similar for the Soviets

I know this is a predominantly western forum, and therefor full of people who lean towards Capitalism, but I must admit to being someone who closely follows the elections in the USSR every time they pop up, and after the recent one saw major gains amongst the current Vanguard party, giving the Bolsheviks a supermajority for the first time in three decades, I had to wonder...

How might the Soviet Union have evolved if it had followed the path so many at the time expected, to devolve into an autocratic Dictatorship with only one party, one ideology allowed?
USSR wouldn't be that powerful, even collapsing on itself by 1991.
 
I don't really see how they could go that route and survive for all that long. Maybe forty or fifty years, but it really grind at the people. While perhaps it doesn't fit the definition of a single party dictatorship, maybe we see it where the one party is basically just an umbrella term and being a member of the party simply means getting to vote on the various candidates who will then be presented to the public for voting on? They can disagree on issues and might focus on a different philosopher to get inspiratoin from or a certain section of the workforce to push the interests of. What would this party be called, anyways? Majoritarians? Or maybe something with portions of the names of the five or six largest factions?
 
USSR wouldn't be that powerful, even collapsing on itself by 1991.

Awfully specific date; did you write a timeline on this or something?

Anywho, the natural progression always seems to be a generation or so of dictatorship evolving into democracy. Trotsky didn't have the stomach to be a dictator, so the natural progression was elections. He even suggested term limits, as if he borrowed from America - I know the USSR officially hated America, but Trotsky developed a great respect for America during the fight against the Nazis and Japanese.

I suppose that whack job Stalin could have taken over, assuming he wouldn't just fuck everything up. A guy like him just wouldn't have enough support - he talked about "purging" this and that and he would have fucked up sooner or later and toppled all the dominoes. That or he wouldn't have kept enough around smart people and the dipshits left would have let the Nazis run over them.
 
It would have had a lot less soft power, I suppose. I doubt that it would have close allies, especially ideologically aligned ones, far beyond the old Russian Empire borders. France would have still had the Third Republic, and the Latin America would have remained the US backyard, rather than the confederation of various Socialist, Communist, and even Anarchist polities it is now.

Besides, in the long run, authoritarianism is bad for the economic development, either planned or based on supply and demand, so it would have been the Russian Empire-bis: outwardly strong (mostly in numbers), but backward, and with the inadequate infrastructure. A colossus on the feet of clay. The authoritarian Soviets could have just got the atomic bomb by now, but they would lack the delivery mechanism except perhaps some repurposed second-hand civil jet (that was exactly what Burma tried to get, until the Chinese politely stepped in and told them to stop behaving silly).

Now and then, there are talks that the authoritarian USSR would have been more effective against Ludendorff's Germany, but I call bullshit on that. Given what a mess the OKRW has turned out to be, with all the sycophancy, incompetence, and pandering to the Führer who still thought in the categories of the trench warfare, it would have been the same with the Stavka. For all I know, the Soviets could find themselves stuck with the militia army and without a professional officer corps out of some extreme, unquestioned ideological purity, and/or proceed to purge the competent commanders. This would have turned the Second German War into a walk in the park for the Reichswehr.
 
Well firstly, let's go by the assumption that Lenin and Martov, for whatever reason, failed to bury the hatchet like they did prior to the February Revolution and as such the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks ended up rivals for absolute power rather than ideological opponents that could co-exist in a democratic system. I can see Lenin (who controlled the military) overthrow the Mensheviks if they refused to pull out of WWI (and rumor has it Lenin just barely convinced them to do so OTL) and then execute the Russian Royal Family for good measure (as opposed to just stripping them of their titles and leaving them to see how it was to live as an average joe back then) and sparking a civil war with the Mensheviks and other anti-Bolshevik groups. Given that Lenin's death due to his poor health around 1925 appears to be inevitable no matter what timeline alterations occur, his likeliest successors would be either Stalin or Trotsky, neither one of which would play nice with the Mensheviks and if the Bolsheviks under either of them win the civil war they could very easily go full autocratic under the pretext of "protecting the revolution".

Seriously can you imagine someone like Stalin or Trotsky in charge of an autocratic Soviet Union, an unhinged jackass or an expansionist lunatic, either one could've succeeded Lenin and seriously destroyed any chance for a multi-party democracy, the former easily could've screwed up the Soviet economy with his "purges" and for added measure massively expanding the GULAG system which thankfully Trotsky put an end to in the late-40s. But speaking of Tortsky, he might have started a war with the US and Western Europe given how much he was ranting about spreading Socialism to all corners of the Earth by any means necessary and I doubt any amount of respect he had for the West after WWII would've stopped him from attacking them if it wasn't for the Vanguard Party and the Left Socialist Party to hold him back, and while I'm all for spreading Socialism there's a right way to do it (which is peacefully and democratically or revolutionary if the current man in charge is a fascist) and then there's Trotsky's proposed way (which is destabilize democratic capitalist nations and support the works types of "communists" imaginable).

Either way, the economy and overall standards of living would be much worse, the USSR would look like a Socialist boogeyman to the West rather than an ideological rival to constantly one-up (meaning a much less interesting space race and no manned mission to Mars by 2005), the US might even go right-wing to distance itself from the Soviets which means that FDR's New Deal and McGovern's Just Society programs might get rolled back by some Right-wing fear-mongering ideologue with a chip on his shoulder, and I don't see this kind of USSR supporting any Socialist or Communist governments that aren't just as autocratic as the USSR is, which means no Socialist Latin America as the guy above me pointed out, no unified Socialist Korea (without a democratic USSR talking the two sides into unifying), and no independent Anarchist Catalonia.

This USSR would collapse eventually, dictatorships are inherently unsustainable in the long run and eventually people will get fed up with the guys in charge doing the bear minimum to improve their working conditions and lives and might decide that capitalism really was the better idea after all. Maybe in the 70s if that self-absorbed moron Brezhnev (he sucks hard OTL by the way) somehow became the leader of the Bolsheviks and stagnated the Union to death or maybe in the late 80s if someone like Gorbachev came to power, the guy is easily the most right-wing mainstream politician the USSR had in the 80s (which is probably why the Bolsheviks kicked his ass so hard back then), and liberalize the USSR until it collapsed due to more pressure for a multi-party democracy.
 
Awfully specific date; did you write a timeline on this or something?
Well I did a TL, called Red Fury where Stalin took over instead of Trotsky do. His purge of senior party members in 30s, eventually takes its toll in 70s and 80s, despite a reformer becomes general secretary, the damage was Irreversible, and USSR breaks up.

OOC: Red Fury is OTL.
 
Well I did a TL, called Red Fury where Stalin took over instead of Trotsky do. His purge of senior party members in 30s, eventually takes its toll in 70s and 80s, despite a reformer becomes general secretary, the damage was Irreversible, and USSR breaks up.

I really thought you had Lenin well pegged in that TL. The man was an utter snake who would do anything and say anything to get power.

It got a bit silly from the 30s on though. Especially the way you had that Hitler guy turn Germany into a Randian horror that crippled its own atom bomb research because one of the most tolerant countries in Europe suddenly can't handle that their best scientists were Jews. I get that the Leninist Soviet Union you were showing needed the Germans to be well beaten with an idiot stick to have a chance of emerging from the war as a remotely credible threat to the US, but it just was stacking the deck too heavily to get a particular outcome in my view.

Well firstly, let's go by the assumption that Lenin and Martov, for whatever reason, failed to bury the hatchet like they did prior to the February Revolution

Honestly, if Lenin had arrived in Russia a year earlier, before the elections and the peaceful transition to government by the Soviets had made Lenin's cuckoo ideas clearly cuckoo, I can see Lenin whipping up the Bolsheviks into launching a coup, regardless being on relatively good terms with Martov at the time. Lenin was always fixated on the idea that the revolution wouldn't be secure until violence had secured total power for the Vangardists. And the Mensheviks weren't Vangardists.

I suppose that whack job Stalin could have taken over, assuming he wouldn't just fuck everything up. A guy like him just wouldn't have enough support - he talked about "purging" this and that and he would have fucked up sooner or later and toppled all the dominoes. That or he wouldn't have kept enough around smart people and the dipshits left would have let the Nazis run over them.

I think you are doing a disservice to Stalin here - people remember him for his radical speeches in the 30s, but those speeches were made in the face of the coups of the 30s, the rising threat of Ludendorfist Germany and a severe famine in the Ukraine where corruption of the SRs and Anarchists who dominated Ukrainian politics appeared to be a significant factor in the suffering there. And to be honest, he was mostly right. The Ludendorf regime was a threat to the country, and if the Soviets had taken action when he started speaking in favour of a crash industrialization action, much bloodshed might have been saved. The coups attempts did end after Trotsky purged the army of Tsarist era officers. Probably the only thing he was really wrong about was what was going on in the Ukraine, where modern historians agree that political corruption was really not as big a factor as it seemed at the time, but Stalin was far from the only politician in the Soviet Union who believed that the Anarchists and right-SRs were betraying the Revolution and behaving like two-bit Tsarist idiots.

Also, he was key to keeping Lenin out of power in 1919 by (along with Kamenev and Muranov) building a real alliance between the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks and SRs. (Well, a full on merger in the case of the Mensheviks, until the great depression threw the country into chaos.) And as you may already have gathered, I have a poor opinion on Lenin.

no unified Socialist Korea

The Soviets went through the Japanese like a sledge hammer through wet paper. Even a SU that was a one party Leninist hellhole is going to be able to take the whole Korean peninsula as they did OTL. The reason why the peninsula was divided was a nice gesture to the Americans. So depending on how the one party alt-SU sees America, they might keep all of Korea. Of course, it would be a one party Vangardist Korea, but whatever you say about Vangardism, it is a sort of socialism.

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Well, a dictatorship in the SU would probably give a lot of ammo to the right on this side of the pond, and God only knows how the election of 1932 would have gone down if the right was filled with fear of some sort of Bolshevik Coup, honestly I think the only reason the accepted the results without a fight was the SU showing that a left-wing government didn't mean they would all be dragged out of their homes and shot (yes I know the US never had a ruling party as far left as the SU did, I'm talking more about how they were percieved).
 
So depending on how the one party alt-SU sees America, they might keep all of Korea. Of course, it would be a one party Vangardist Korea, but whatever you say about Vangardism, it is a sort of socialism.
Well.. Red Fury had divided korea in the TL. With capitalist South and vangardist north.
 
Well.. Red Fury had divided korea in the TL. With capitalist South and vangardist north.

Sure. And that was perfectly plausible. I'm just saying that a more dysfunctional Soviet Union that was less inclined to make kind gestures to the Americans could establish a one-party dictatorship over the whole peninsula.

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