wwbgdiaslt
Gone Fishin'
Sicily and Africa has timed out. Is it worth discussing why we're having so many time out recently?
List of monarchs III
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I think it’s worth talking about.
For me it’s a combination of lists about people and times I’m not as familiar with and work has been a lot lately so I don’t have as much time.
As I said before, we can do a Filipino royal timeline, or bring back the Muslim Rus one.
Have we done a Muslim Russia?
If not a PoD where when Vladimir I Sviatoslavich looks to convert from Slavic paganism to a new religion, Islam is show to only frown upon grape made alcohol, allowing for Russian Muslims to drink vodka, could be an idea?
wwbgdiaslt
Gone Fishin'
As I said before, we might want to think about why so many TL are timing out lately before throwing ourselves into another one.
Yup - https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/list-of-monarchs-iii.334892/page-323#post-22739136
I know we did a Manichaen Rome years ago, the only Jewish list I can remember was a Kingdom of Israel set in the ancient world that sadly died.
I've been thinking about why the lists are dying out and I'm wondering if maybe we should consider a new thread and a fresh start. We are getting close to 500 pages on this one.
If you do, please post a link to the new one before you close the old one.
Another possibility might be creating fictional dynasties for fictional realms..?
wwbgdiaslt
Gone Fishin'
Just a reminder ...
We did once do an Arthurian TL, but just making up a realm and a dynasty doesn't seem entirely in keeping with the above. Each TL is built around a divergence point and continues from there, so you can create a country that doesn't exist in OTL - we've done this many times including the Principality of Waterloo, the Holy Iberian Empire - but its always been a natural development from a real world divergence point.
For monarch lists, we should have more lists which naturally end before the "present day" instead of somehow lasting into the present, either due to foreign conquest or because a republican revolution did away with the monarchy.
HJR
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If nobody else is posting, I'll start a new thread.
Princes of Bulgaria:
1879 - 1886: Alexander I (House of Battenberg)
1886 - 1910: Alexander II (House of Bogaridi)[1]
[1]
After the deposition of Prince Alexander by a Russian-backed coup in 1886, the throne of Bulgaria lay vacant, and the Grand National Assembly considered a half-dozen candidates from across Europe to take his place. In the end, though, they decided on a candidate that was much closer to home: Alexander Bogoridi, the former governor-general of Eastern Rumelia. Bogoridi was a liberal nationalist who had spent the last decade as a diplomat in Paris, keeping him out of the political turmoil of the 1880s, leaving him as a compromise candidate acceptable to all factions. In October 1886, Bogoridi was invited to return to Bulgaria and assume the throne, taking the regnal name Alexander II of Bulgaria.
Alexander II spends the first years of his reign striving to remain ‘above the fray’ of parliamentary politics, sponsoring the repeal of the Constitution of 1881 and the expansion of the franchise, with vague ambitions of expanding Bulgaria’s territories. This leads to the dominance of the People’s Liberal Party in the late 1880s and early 1890s under the ‘Bulgarian Bismarck’ Stefan Stambolov, during which time land reform and infrastructure develop continue apace. However, Alexander grows concerned by Stambolov’s increasing paranoia and authoritarianism. In 1893, Stambolov attempts to have one of his rivals, Petko Karavelo, arrested on trumped-up charges, and Alexander dismisses his government, sparking a constitutional crisis that ends in Stambolov being driven into exile later that year. Thereafter, Bulgarian politics are dominated by the back-and-forth between Karavelo’s left-wing Liberal Democrats and Konstantin Stoilov’s Conservatives, and although Alexander is personally sympathetic to Karavelo he remains safely apolitical for the rest of his reign.
On a personal level, Alexander finances the construction of hospitals in Sofia and Plovdiv, as well as the construction of a new complex for the Cyril and Methodius Library. He also supports the continuation of the national revival by providing patronage for nationalist poets and writers. By the time of his death in 1910, he is beloved by the common people and immortalized as the “Elder Prince” of the nation. However, his final illness leaves a brewing succession crisis, as his nearest relative is a distant cousin, and the National Assembly is forced to step in and select a ruler once again.
Princes of Bulgaria:
1879 - 1886: Alexander I (House of Battenberg)
1886 - 1910: Alexander II (House of Bogaridi)[1]
[1]
Alexander II spends the first years of his reign striving to remain ‘above the fray’ of parliamentary politics, sponsoring the repeal of the Constitution of 1881 and the expansion of the franchise, with vague ambitions of expanding Bulgaria’s territories. This leads to the dominance of the People’s Liberal Party in the late 1880s and early 1890s under the ‘Bulgarian Bismarck’ Stefan Stambolov, during which time land reform and infrastructure develop continue apace. However, Alexander grows concerned by Stambolov’s increasing paranoia and authoritarianism. In 1893, Stambolov attempts to have one of his rivals, Petko Karavelo, arrested on trumped-up charges, and Alexander dismisses his government, sparking a constitutional crisis that ends in Stambolov being driven into exile later that year. Thereafter, Bulgarian politics are dominated by the back-and-forth between Karavelo’s left-wing Liberal Democrats and Konstantin Stoilov’s Conservatives, and although Alexander is personally sympathetic to Karavelo he remains safely apolitical for the rest of his reign.
On a personal level, Alexander finances the construction of hospitals in Sofia and Plovdiv, as well as the construction of a new complex for the Cyril and Methodius Library. He also supports the continuation of the national revival by providing patronage for nationalist poets and writers. By the time of his death in 1910, he is beloved by the common people and immortalized as the “Elder Prince” of the nation. However, his final illness leaves a brewing succession crisis, as his nearest relative is a distant cousin, and the National Assembly is forced to step in and select a ruler once again.
If nobody else is posting, I'll start a new thread.
Princes of Bulgaria:
1879 - 1886: Alexander I (House of Battenberg)
1886 - 1910: Alexander II (House of Bogaridi)[1]
1910-1914: Krum II (House of Battenberg) [2]
Tsar of Bulgaria:
1914-1941: Krum II "the Fearless" (House of Battenberg) [2]
[1]
Spoiler: Face
After the deposition of Prince Alexander by a Russian-backed coup in 1886, the throne of Bulgaria lay vacant, and the Grand National Assembly considered a half-dozen candidates from across Europe to take his place. In the end, though, they decided on a candidate that was much closer to home: Alexander Bogoridi, the former governor-general of Eastern Rumelia. Bogoridi was a liberal nationalist who had spent the last decade as a diplomat in Paris, keeping him out of the political turmoil of the 1880s, leaving him as a compromise candidate acceptable to all factions. In October 1886, Bogoridi was invited to return to Bulgaria and assume the throne, taking the regnal name Alexander II of Bulgaria.
Alexander II spends the first years of his reign striving to remain ‘above the fray’ of parliamentary politics, sponsoring the repeal of the Constitution of 1881 and the expansion of the franchise, with vague ambitions of expanding Bulgaria’s territories. This leads to the dominance of the People’s Liberal Party in the late 1880s and early 1890s under the ‘Bulgarian Bismarck’ Stefan Stambolov, during which time land reform and infrastructure develop continue apace. However, Alexander grows concerned by Stambolov’s increasing paranoia and authoritarianism. In 1893, Stambolov attempts to have one of his rivals, Petko Karavelo, arrested on trumped-up charges, and Alexander dismisses his government, sparking a constitutional crisis that ends in Stambolov being driven into exile later that year. Thereafter, Bulgarian politics are dominated by the back-and-forth between Karavelo’s left-wing Liberal Democrats and Konstantin Stoilov’s Conservatives, and although Alexander is personally sympathetic to Karavelo he remains safely apolitical for the rest of his reign.
On a personal level, Alexander finances the construction of hospitals in Sofia and Plovdiv, as well as the construction of a new complex for the Cyril and Methodius Library. He also supports the continuation of the national revival by providing patronage for nationalist poets and writers. By the time of his death in 1910, he is beloved by the common people and immortalized as the “Elder Prince” of the nation. However, his final illness leaves a brewing succession crisis, as his nearest relative is a distant cousin, and the National Assembly is forced to step in and select a ruler once again.
[2] The son of the deposed - and deceased - Prince Alexander the I, Krum Asen Louis Alexander von Battenberg was raised in exile, in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, by his widowed actress mother with the support of the ruling Habsburgs and a Bulgarian pension to provide for him. Known as Count Hartenau, the exiled Prince was educated in the finest Austrian institutions, entering the University of Gratz with the goal to become a doctor in law in the future. His stay at university would be cut, however, with the death of Alexander Bogaridi in 1910.
Bogaridi, already an old man when he became Prince of Bulgaria, had no children, no nephews and had only distant relatives - with the most prestigious branch being Romanians. In an emerging country like Bulgaria, liberated after centuries of occupation, it rapidly became a choice amongst the Princes of Europe. Many Bulgarians however, already had a Prince, in the distant figure of Louis Assen. That Assen, upon reaching adulthood, had develloped a well-known pen-pal relationship with Bogaridi was also known. Thus, the exiled Prince was once more chosen to be King, being complied to leave his home in Austria and his future in law to become a Prince of the Bulgarians.
Despite a difficult time asserting his rule of his new country, Krum (his first and regnal name) grew into a personality admired by the Bulgarian public, even if not famous with it's politicians - Krum was well-mannered, bold, ambitious and liberal, with a down-to-earth attitude and a strong desire to be a national leader and uplift his people. The outbreak of the Balkan War saw Krum finally take his place as the leader of the Bulgarian people - both as a general and soldier and as a politican and diplomat. Krum would lead the secret negotiations with Serbia and Greece, not being senselessly nationalistic and achieving compromises on territorial gains with the Greeks. Agreeing to to only take Vardar Macedonia and to take Eastern Thrace with the Greeks, alongside a free-market and free-movement of people in what would become Greek Macedonia and Thrace. This alliance of the three countries would invade the Ottoman Empire in 1912, defeating in 1914 with the whole occupation of the Balkans. While many would argue Bulgaria could have gained more - the expansion into Eastern Thrace and Vardar Macedonia, adding the the two important cities of Skopje and Adrianople to the country would prove important.
Leading the way in the Balkans as a respected leader of the strongest, if not excessively, of the Balkans countries, Bulgaria and Greece would ratify their friendship with the marriage of Krum to Princess Eva of Greece. Eva would stay at Krum's side for more until the rest of his wife, having six children together while Bulgaria and Krum aged into maturity, with Bulgaria emerging as the strongest country in the Balkans, both militarily and economically, with a strong national identity and good relationships with most of Europe, having stayed neutral in WW1. Krum would die of lung cancer in his fifties, just as WW2 started. He was succeeded by ______________.
Princes of Bulgaria:
1879 - 1886: Alexander I (House of Battenberg)
1886 - 1910: Alexander II (House of Bogaridi)[1]
1910-1914: Krum II (House of Battenberg) [2]
Tsar of Bulgaria:
1914-1941: Krum II "the Fearless" (House of Battenberg) [2]
[1]
Spoiler: Face
After the deposition of Prince Alexander by a Russian-backed coup in 1886, the throne of Bulgaria lay vacant, and the Grand National Assembly considered a half-dozen candidates from across Europe to take his place. In the end, though, they decided on a candidate that was much closer to home: Alexander Bogoridi, the former governor-general of Eastern Rumelia. Bogoridi was a liberal nationalist who had spent the last decade as a diplomat in Paris, keeping him out of the political turmoil of the 1880s, leaving him as a compromise candidate acceptable to all factions. In October 1886, Bogoridi was invited to return to Bulgaria and assume the throne, taking the regnal name Alexander II of Bulgaria.
Alexander II spends the first years of his reign striving to remain ‘above the fray’ of parliamentary politics, sponsoring the repeal of the Constitution of 1881 and the expansion of the franchise, with vague ambitions of expanding Bulgaria’s territories. This leads to the dominance of the People’s Liberal Party in the late 1880s and early 1890s under the ‘Bulgarian Bismarck’ Stefan Stambolov, during which time land reform and infrastructure develop continue apace. However, Alexander grows concerned by Stambolov’s increasing paranoia and authoritarianism. In 1893, Stambolov attempts to have one of his rivals, Petko Karavelo, arrested on trumped-up charges, and Alexander dismisses his government, sparking a constitutional crisis that ends in Stambolov being driven into exile later that year. Thereafter, Bulgarian politics are dominated by the back-and-forth between Karavelo’s left-wing Liberal Democrats and Konstantin Stoilov’s Conservatives, and although Alexander is personally sympathetic to Karavelo he remains safely apolitical for the rest of his reign.
On a personal level, Alexander finances the construction of hospitals in Sofia and Plovdiv, as well as the construction of a new complex for the Cyril and Methodius Library. He also supports the continuation of the national revival by providing patronage for nationalist poets and writers. By the time of his death in 1910, he is beloved by the common people and immortalized as the “Elder Prince” of the nation. However, his final illness leaves a brewing succession crisis, as his nearest relative is a distant cousin, and the National Assembly is forced to step in and select a ruler once again.
[2] The son of the deposed - and deceased - Prince Alexander the I, Krum Asen Louis Alexander von Battenberg was raised in exile, in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, by his widowed actress mother with the support of the ruling Habsburgs and a Bulgarian pension to provide for him. Known as Count Hartenau, the exiled Prince was educated in the finest Austrian institutions, entering the University of Gratz with the goal to become a doctor in law in the future. His stay at university would be cut, however, with the death of Alexander Bogaridi in 1910.
Bogaridi, already an old man when he became Prince of Bulgaria, had no children, no nephews and had only distant relatives - with the most prestigious branch being Romanians. In an emerging country like Bulgaria, liberated after centuries of occupation, it rapidly became a choice amongst the Princes of Europe. Many Bulgarians however, already had a Prince, in the distant figure of Louis Assen. That Assen, upon reaching adulthood, had develloped a well-known pen-pal relationship with Bogaridi was also known. Thus, the exiled Prince was once more chosen to be King, being complied to leave his home in Austria and his future in law to become a Prince of the Bulgarians.
Despite a difficult time asserting his rule of his new country, Krum (his first and regnal name) grew into a personality admired by the Bulgarian public, even if not famous with it's politicians - Krum was well-mannered, bold, ambitious and liberal, with a down-to-earth attitude and a strong desire to be a national leader and uplift his people. The outbreak of the Balkan War saw Krum finally take his place as the leader of the Bulgarian people - both as a general and soldier and as a politican and diplomat. Krum would lead the secret negotiations with Serbia and Greece, not being senselessly nationalistic and achieving compromises on territorial gains with the Greeks. Agreeing to to only take Vardar Macedonia and to take Eastern Thrace with the Greeks, alongside a free-market and free-movement of people in what would become Greek Macedonia and Thrace. This alliance of the three countries would invade the Ottoman Empire in 1912, defeating in 1914 with the whole occupation of the Balkans. While many would argue Bulgaria could have gained more - the expansion into Eastern Thrace and Vardar Macedonia, adding the the two important cities of Skopje and Adrianople to the country would prove important.
Leading the way in the Balkans as a respected leader of the strongest, if not excessively, of the Balkans countries, Bulgaria and Greece would ratify their friendship with the marriage of Krum to Princess Eva of Greece. Eva would stay at Krum's side for more until the rest of his wife, having six children together while Bulgaria and Krum aged into maturity, with Bulgaria emerging as the strongest country in the Balkans, both militarily and economically, with a strong national identity and good relationships with most of Europe, having stayed neutral in WW1. Krum would die of lung cancer in his fifties, just as WW2 started. He was succeeded by ______________.
POD: Elizabeth of York is born male.
Kings of England:
1442-1483: King Edward IV (York)
1483-1503: King Edward V "the Peacemaker" (York) [1]
[1] When the future King Edward V was born, he was often seen as his parents' victory as their marriage was seen quite controversial. Edward's early childhood was filled with uncertainty as the War of Roses raged on. But by the time of his father's death, the Lancaster line had nearly died out and the Yorks were in full power. King Edward was a man of seventeen, already married to Anne of France who was pregnant with their first child, when he ascended.
The marriage between King Edward and Anne of France was done in hopes of ending the fighting between France and England. It did not. However, Edward would proclaim that King Louis had blessed England with the most shrewd and perceptive queen. Their marriage was unusually happy by the standards of the time. Edward had no known misstresses and was a devoted husband.
One of King Edward's first steps was reconciling his mother's side of the family with his father's. There are certain stories floating around that Edward grabbed both of his uncles' ears and promised them if they continued to behave badly, he would send them to their rooms with no supper. His efforts mostly paid off even though they were still quite frosty with each other. In hopes of bridging the gap, Edward had one of his maternal cousins be betrothed to Edward of Middleham. Ironically the one thing the Duke of Gloucester and the Earl of Rivers did agree on was being against his decision to allow Henry Tudor to return to England, restoring his lands and titles.
King Edward believed that red and white roses needed to remain united. He arranged for the marriage of Margaret Pole and Henry Tudor, and gave the latter a place on his council, seeing it as the perfect way to bring the ranments of the line of the red rose back into the fold. Thankfully, his gamble paid off, with the Duke of Richmond proving to be indispensable as an advisor.
Over time Edward would be called the Uncle of Europe as he arranged dynastic matches for his sisters and brothers including the marriage of his younger brother Richard, Duke of York with Anne of Brittany and his sister Cecily would marry King James of Scots. He was well known for his diplomatic and pious nature. However his twenty-year-reign came to a sudden bloody and tragic end, during a joust celebrating his thirty-seventh's birthday, he received a lance to the face, knocking him off his horse. He died in agonizing pain, a violent end for a peaceful man.
Kings of England:
1442-1483: King Edward IV (York)
1483-1503: King Edward V "the Peacemaker" (York) [1]
[1] When the future King Edward V was born, he was often seen as his parents' victory as their marriage was seen quite controversial. Edward's early childhood was filled with uncertainty as the War of Roses raged on. But by the time of his father's death, the Lancaster line had nearly died out and the Yorks were in full power. King Edward was a man of seventeen, already married to Anne of France who was pregnant with their first child, when he ascended.
The marriage between King Edward and Anne of France was done in hopes of ending the fighting between France and England. It did not. However, Edward would proclaim that King Louis had blessed England with the most shrewd and perceptive queen. Their marriage was unusually happy by the standards of the time. Edward had no known misstresses and was a devoted husband.
One of King Edward's first steps was reconciling his mother's side of the family with his father's. There are certain stories floating around that Edward grabbed both of his uncles' ears and promised them if they continued to behave badly, he would send them to their rooms with no supper. His efforts mostly paid off even though they were still quite frosty with each other. In hopes of bridging the gap, Edward had one of his maternal cousins be betrothed to Edward of Middleham. Ironically the one thing the Duke of Gloucester and the Earl of Rivers did agree on was being against his decision to allow Henry Tudor to return to England, restoring his lands and titles.
King Edward believed that red and white roses needed to remain united. He arranged for the marriage of Margaret Pole and Henry Tudor, and gave the latter a place on his council, seeing it as the perfect way to bring the ranments of the line of the red rose back into the fold. Thankfully, his gamble paid off, with the Duke of Richmond proving to be indispensable as an advisor.
Over time Edward would be called the Uncle of Europe as he arranged dynastic matches for his sisters and brothers including the marriage of his younger brother Richard, Duke of York with Anne of Brittany and his sister Cecily would marry King James of Scots. He was well known for his diplomatic and pious nature. However his twenty-year-reign came to a sudden bloody and tragic end, during a joust celebrating his thirty-seventh's birthday, he received a lance to the face, knocking him off his horse. He died in agonizing pain, a violent end for a peaceful man.
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