?The impact on Ireland itself was fairly substantial, but large parts of it were completely unaffected.
?The impact on Ireland itself was fairly substantial, but large parts of it were completely unaffected.
Ireland wasn't unified, and English involvement wasn't total. The areas the English actually reached were impacted rather substantially in ways that went beyond royal authority. The parts they didn't reach weren't affected so heavily.
Much depend by the reason for which she had NOT married John III of PortugalWho else could Catherine of Austria have married, if not for John III of Portugal?
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Let's say he and Eleanor married.Much depend by the reason for which she had NOT married John III of Portugal
@RedAquilla @Lusitania @ViriatoWhat would the consequences be if Pedro V of Portugal survived and secondly how much power did he have? Wikipedia gives him quite a lot.
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a surviving York dynasty would actually be useful in this regard. Since a) the Yorks were the primary royal landowners in Ireland (Edward IV was 10th Earl of Ulster, and had also inherited the claim to the earldom of Louth via his Mortimer ancestry) and b) most of the Tudor "repression" in the late 1490s/1500s was to put down the Irish who had backed Lambert Simnel (Warwick was Earl of Dublin and one of the "theories" about the dukedom of Clarence is that it was tied to Co. Clare rather than the honour of Clare in England) and Perkin Warbeck. Now, the wheels on the royal bus in Ireland started coming off with Richard III's seizure of power in 1483 when the Burkes rebelled (AFAIK, this wasn't related to Dickon's coup, but a separate event). Unfortunately, the whole "Richard III-Bosworth-Henry VII" drama playing out in England meant that it wasn't dealt with quickly. If there hadn't been a "distraction" (say Edward IV survived), the then Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland would have had royal backing to deal with the Burkes (after all, once the Burkes seized the royal town of Galway and demanded ransom, the king would have little choice to get involved). Instead, there was the Burke's terrorizing pro-royalist Connaught, then the Tudor repression of the pro-Yorkist Simnel-Warbeck uprising (as seen by the fact that Poynings Law passed with the vote of only three Irish peers- the remaining lords hadn't been summoned due to involvement/support for Simnel-Warbeck, and only one of those is known to have been incapacitated due to his age (the Talbot earl of Shrewsbury who held the earldom of Waterford was also not summoned back from France AIUI), culminating in the royalist victory at the Battle of Knockdoe in 1504.Given the perimeters, an English heir's title could be anything. Yes, Ireland was thorny issue and I don't know of any medieval English king or king's son who actually succeeded in making good any claims on it. But, if such a thing ever were possible, I see no reason why a title for the heir is out of the question. There's no sovereignty issue like with Aquitaine, but theoretically the king could relinquish rule of Ireland to his son if he screwed up royally or required a puppet. So it has diplomatic value theoretically.
That would be a very nice TL to read!a surviving York dynasty would actually be useful in this regard. Since a) the Yorks were the primary royal landowners in Ireland (Edward IV was 10th Earl of Ulster, and had also inherited the claim to the earldom of Louth via his Mortimer ancestry) and b) most of the Tudor "repression" in the late 1490s/1500s was to put down the Irish who had backed Lambert Simnel (Warwick was Earl of Dublin and one of the "theories" about the dukedom of Clarence is that it was tied to Co. Clare rather than the honour of Clare in England) and Perkin Warbeck. Now, the wheels on the royal bus in Ireland started coming off with Richard III's seizure of power in 1483 when the Burkes rebelled (AFAIK, this wasn't related to Dickon's coup, but a separate event). Unfortunately, the whole "Richard III-Bosworth-Henry VII" drama playing out in England meant that it wasn't dealt with quickly. If there hadn't been a "distraction" (say Edward IV survived), the then Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland would have had royal backing to deal with the Burkes (after all, once the Burkes seized the royal town of Galway and demanded ransom, the king would have little choice to get involved). Instead, there was the Burke's terrorizing pro-royalist Connaught, then the Tudor repression of the pro-Yorkist Simnel-Warbeck uprising (as seen by the fact that Poynings Law passed with the vote of only three Irish peers- the remaining lords hadn't been summoned due to involvement/support for Simnel-Warbeck, and only one of those is known to have been incapacitated due to his age (the Talbot earl of Shrewsbury who held the earldom of Waterford was also not summoned back from France AIUI), culminating in the royalist victory at the Battle of Knockdoe in 1504.
So...just a thought: Edward IV survives. Hears of Burke's seizure of Galway. Sends trusty Richard of Gloucester to "deal with the Irish" (after all, lets give credit where credit is due, Dickon was capable, having been sent up north to deal with the Scots). Then, we go Ricardian and Edward IV and his sons die while Richard is in Ireland, leaving Richard III as the last Yorkist male standing. His son, Edward of Middleham (who inherits dad's martial skill as well as grandpa Warwick's political skill), and he gets made "duke of Ireland" by his dad and left as Lord Lieutenant in Dublin. Later, Edward succeeds as "Edward V, King of England and Ireland", and instead of sending heirs to Ludlow (a practice only started by Edward IV), they send the heirs to Dublin instead.
Least, that's my interpretation. Those more knowledgeable about Irish history of the time (Burke's, Simnel, Warbeck's rebellions can correct me).
Think if you’re meaning the British Methodist it would likely need something akin to Weslyian theology to be different. As from what I understand the founders wanted to purify the Church of England rather than go back to romeI was wondering something for my TL, but I suspect it would require a far earlier POD than 1826:
Would itbe at all possible for thr Methodist Church (or even their Moravian predecessors) to reconcile with or become part of the Catholic Church. Not understanding the nuts and bolts of Methodist/Moravian theology, I can't think of a reason aside from that the Methodists dont have bishops and they allow their priests to marry.
Any thoughts?
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Near impossible and still remain recognizable Methodist.I was wondering something for my TL, but I suspect it would require a far earlier POD than 1826:
Would itbe at all possible for thr Methodist Church (or even their Moravian predecessors) to reconcile with or become part of the Catholic Church. Not understanding the nuts and bolts of Methodist/Moravian theology, I can't think of a reason aside from that the Methodists dont have bishops and they allow their priests to marry.
Any thoughts?
@FalconHonour @Nuraghe @isabella @VVD0D95 @The_Most_Happy @Jan Olbracht
I was wondering something for my TL, but I suspect it would require a far earlier POD than 1826:
Would itbe at all possible for thr Methodist Church (or even their Moravian predecessors) to reconcile with or become part of the Catholic Church. Not understanding the nuts and bolts of Methodist/Moravian theology, I can't think of a reason aside from that the Methodists dont have bishops and they allow their priests to marry.
Any thoughts?
@FalconHonour @Nuraghe @isabella @VVD0D95 @The_Most_Happy @Jan Olbracht
Here are the most important powers that the Constitutional Charter of 1826 give to the Monarch:What would the consequences be if Pedro V of Portugal survived and secondly how much power did he have? Wikipedia gives him quite a lot.
Intetesting so quite a bit of opening there for the crown to have influence and power. Which given the chaotic nature of government you’ve outlined is probably necessary no?Here are the most important powers that the Constitutional Charter of 1826 give to the Monarch:
-Nominating Peers without a fixed number.
-Summoning the General Courts extraordinarily in between Sessions, when the Good of the Kingdom so requests.
-Sanctioning the Decrees and Resolutions of the General Courts, so that they have the force of Law.
-Prolonging or postponing the General Courts, and dissolving the Chamber of Deputies, in cases where the salvation of the State requires it, immediately calling another to replace it.
-Appointing and dismissing Ministers of State freely.
-Suspending Magistrates with a justified cause.
-Forgiving and moderating the penalties imposed on the convicted.
-Granting Amnesty in an urgent case, and when so advised by his/her humanity, and the good of the State.
-To summon the new ordinary Cortes Gerais on the second of March of the fourth year of the existing Legislature in the Kingdom of Portugal; and in the Domains in the previous year.
-Appoint Bishops and provide Ecclesiastical Benefits.
-Appoint Magistrates.
- Appoint the Commanders of the Land and Sea Forces, and remove them, when the Good of the State so requests.
-Appoint Ambassadors, and more Diplomatic and Commercial Agents.
-Directing Political Negotiations with Foreign Nations.
-Make Offensive and Defensive Alliance Treaties, Subsidy and Commerce Treaties, taking them after concluded to the knowledge of the General Courts, when the interest and security of the State allow it. If Treaties concluded in peacetime involve the assignment or exchange of the Kingdom's Territory or Possessions, to which the Kingdom is entitled, they will not be ratified without having been approved by the General Courts.
-Declare War and make Peace, communicating to the Assembly the communications that are compatible with the interests and security of the State.
In practice, in the 19th Century, the Monarch would choose the Government because what he would was nominate someone to form a Government, the Government would be formed and then the Chamber of Deputies would be dissolved and elections called and the Government would win. Once this Government concluded it's term of 4 years (only one or two in 50-something did this), new elections were called. More often some scandal would force the Government to resign and the process described above would be repeated.
With this in mind, a good King could appoint the proper people to form Governments and Peter V was quite meddlesome. In my opinion, the Portuguese left was a bit better than the right that Ferdinand II and Maria II favored but which Peter V despised but eventually, both would stagnate in a rotation of power that the regime promoted with rather corrupt Prime-Ministers. Peter could, however, find decent people and have them form Governments, bypassing the Parties.