Political ideologies in a world without any Reformation

According to the normal account, the Reformation --> various wars of religion --> liberalism developed to stop people killing each other; and pretty much every ideology since the 1700s has been prompted by liberalism, either as a development of it or as a reaction against it.

Now, personally I have my issues with the normal account, for reasons I can get into if anybody's interested, but for the sake of argument, let's assume it's broadly accurate. How would political ideologies develop in a world where the Reformation never happened (say, because the Catholic Church did a better job cleaning up corruption in the decades before Luther)? For simplicity's sake, let's assume that technology develops at about the same pace ITTL as it does IOTL.

One obvious source of ideological difference would be economic policy. If the Catholic Church remains more influential, we might not see full-on communism become popular (since communism was condemned by the Church IOTL, and probably would be ITTL as well), although there'd still be plenty of scope for more free-market vs. social-democratic visions of society. Centralisation vs. localism debates have also existed in a lot of countries, and probably would ITTL as well. And then of course there's the matter of the Catholic Church itself and its relations with secular society. Even without a Reformation, increasing state capacity would probably lead various governments to try and exercise greater control over the Church in their countries, so you could see a series of long-running and potentially acrimonious debates between those who support Church independence and those who support greater secular control.
 
And then of course there's the matter of the Catholic Church itself and its relations with secular society. Even without a Reformation, increasing state capacity would probably lead various governments to try and exercise greater control over the Church in their countries, so you could see a series of long-running and potentially acrimonious debates between those who support Church independence and those who support greater secular control.

That was already happening even before the Reformation - the Pragmatic Sanction of Bourges and the Padroado in Spain and Portugal all happened or started before Luther posted his 95 theses.

One obvious source of ideological difference would be economic policy. If the Catholic Church remains more influential, we might not see full-on communism become popular (since communism was condemned by the Church IOTL, and probably would be ITTL as well), although there'd still be plenty of scope for more free-market vs. social-democratic visions of society.

I think that some form of "socialism" could gain traction - it'd have to be far less anticlerical than its OTL forms, though.
 
To the contrary, socialism, comunism and socialdemocracy are very catholic ideas. Liberal cpaitlaism is protestant
 
That was already happening even before the Reformation - the Pragmatic Sanction of Bourges and the Padroado in Spain and Portugal all happened or started before Luther posted his 95 theses.
Arguably it had been happening since the Roman Empire.
To the contrary, socialism, comunism and socialdemocracy are very catholic ideas. Liberal cpaitlaism is protestant
Socialism was condemned by Leo XIII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_novarum
 
How plausible would be division between industrialisation and anti-industrialisation? Some popes seemed being really against industrialisation. One pope even prohibited railroads on Papal States.
 
Arguably it had been happening since the Roman Empire.

Socialism was condemned by Leo XIII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_novarum
I think that may have more to do with the associated anti-clericism than the actual political belief. Monastic life is essentially life in a strictly regulated religious commune which would technically be in the vague mold of “communism” so its not like the utopian concept isnt that alien? St Thomas More literally wrote Utopia in 1516 which is right around the period of the reformation
 
How plausible would be division between industrialisation and anti-industrialisation? Some popes seemed being really against industrialisation. One pope even prohibited railroads on Papal States.
I suspect that entirely anti-industrial countries would get outcompeted and forced to change, although you could certainly see a greater concern with moderating the pace of change to make it easier to adjust to. Perhaps localist philosophies like distributism would also be more influential.
I think that may have more to do with the associated anti-clericism than the actual political belief. Monastic life is essentially life in a strictly regulated religious commune which would technically be in the vague mold of “communism” so its not like the utopian concept isnt that alien? St Thomas More literally wrote Utopia in 1516 which is right around the period of the reformation
Monasticism wasn't considered a blueprint for society as a whole, although I suppose your right that a less anti-clericalist communist movement might avoid condemnation.
 
I think that may have more to do with the associated anti-clericism than the actual political belief. Monastic life is essentially life in a strictly regulated religious commune which would technically be in the vague mold of “communism” so its not like the utopian concept isnt that alien? St Thomas More literally wrote Utopia in 1516 which is right around the period of the reformation
It has long been observed that communistic and communitarian institutions exist across all societies and states, and that without these, those societies would likely not function at all. Communism on the other hand explicitly rejects all forms of social stratification, which includes those that support aforementioned institutions. Monasteries were supported by farmers; this is unacceptable to communist ideology, because it deprives the farmers of the full measure of their labor. The relation between monastery and people is thus, per Communism, a form of exploitation and must be removed.

What you describe could well be a seperate ideology with a heavy communitarian bend, but calling it Communism is anachronistic. It may well become the Emic term ITTL, but IOTL, it isn't compatible with Communism.
 
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