State of Jefferson

Cthulhu

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/jeffersonstory.html

So basically, a libertarian type state that wanted to leave California and Oregon, but couldn't because of the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Can anyone think of a way Jefferson could become a reality? (perhaps the United States entering WWII at a later date) And what exactly would happen after that? Would Jefferson be able to change any elections? Or would it be the same as in OTL, but with 51 stars on the flag?
 

HelloLegend

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Cthulhu said:
http://www.jeffersonstate.com/jeffersonstory.html

So basically, a libertarian type state that wanted to leave California and Oregon, but couldn't because of the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Can anyone think of a way Jefferson could become a reality? (perhaps the United States entering WWII at a later date) And what exactly would happen after that? Would Jefferson be able to change any elections? Or would it be the same as in OTL, but with 51 stars on the flag?
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I think another state would be added to make it 52... the same way Hawaii and Alaska came in together

52 stars...
4 sets of 7 and 6 stars alternating rows
 

Cthulhu

So, the east coast has their own Jefferson sort of seccessionist movement? Interesting. Maybe the Jeffersonians could create a nation-wide movement that rips the United States in twain!
But probably not.
 

Hierophant

Being a resident of the Area in question, its more likely that there would be two more republicans in Congress, or at least conservative Democrats (west coast standards) then what Straha proposes. The Counties that would have formed Jefferson are among the most conservative in California and Oregon.
 

Tyr

Justin Green said:
Being a resident of the Area in question, its more likely that there would be two more republicans in Congress, or at least conservative Democrats (west coast standards) then what Straha proposes. The Counties that would have formed Jefferson are among the most conservative in California and Oregon.
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Would things have developed the same way though with it being a independant state?
According to the site it is a histoiccally much neglected area of both states and its the poor areas that normally go republican.
 

1940LaSalle

There have been other recent attempts at forming a state from existing states:

* There's been a long-standing sentiment for Michigan's Upper Peninsula to become a separate state; trouble is, the economy is so bad that it would replace Mississippi as the poorest state in a load of categories if not across the board. The economy is entirely extractive, based on mining, logging, and fishing; the first is all but kaput and the third, declining; not much but logging and tourism keep it going. Add to that the fact that there's no real transportation infrastructure, and that the population is less than that of Wyoming and there's no realistic chance it'll ever happen.

* There's also been a sizable sentiment for the southern eight counties (Atlantic; Ocean; Cape May; Cumberland; Salem; Gloucester; Camden; Burlington) of New Jersey to break away and form a state in its own right; in fact, this got so far as a non-binding referendum in 1980 in seven of the eight counties (Burlington didn't participate). Six of the seven (only Ocean dissented) voted in favor of the split but it went nowhere. Probably that's a good thing, because the property taxes, already high, would have been even worse, with relatively little heavy industry (apart from that along the river in Camden, Gloucester, and Salem Counties) and a lot of bedroom communities.
 
Tucker Dwynn

Tucker Dwynn

Don't forget about Washington State almost splitting at the Cascades, into Washington (West side) and Lincoln (East side).

There was also a movement for Northern Idaho to break away from the south.

Western Kansas also flirted with the idea of splitting away as oil tax revenue (from those counties) was all being spent in the east.
 

bill_bruno

This is ASB

Article IV; Section 3 of the US Constitution

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Do you anticipate any realistic POD where California, Oregon AND both houses of Congress sign-off on this?
 

MacCaulay

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I don't know if this helps...but what was the exact Constitutional view on Franklin in the late 1700s/early 1800s? It seems to me that would have been the farthest anything like this went.
 
Hapsburg

Hapsburg

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Maybe the upper peninsula of Michigan would be brought in as a counterweight? The State of Superior...
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Xen

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There is also the state of Potomac, I only ever read about this once but it is basically the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia, and the Western Panhandle of Maryland forming a new state with the capital at Harpers Ferry (I believe). Though there is no way, West Virginia will allow the Eastern Panhandle to go, it is too wealthy compared to most of the rest of the state.

It seems to me Ive also seen where Eastern Maryland and that little piece of Virginia wants to create their own state as well. Chesapeake or something like that.
 
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