Icarus: A Climate TL

Redo the evacuation of LA?


  • Total voters
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  • Poll closed .
  • Concern brews over solar storms Lemme guess, the 2012 one hits us?
Nope, that's there basically to show that in 2000 there are tons of doomsday predictions and scenarios so ozone hole/climate change isn't a major priority.
wait what why is amazon bankrupt?
The dot-com crash is worse ITTL, and tech companies are hit harder. Amazon OTL barely survived the crash based on luck and extra funds raised, which don't happen ITTL.
 
Besides ozone depletion and the direct effects of UV exposure on plant life, as well as an increasing prevalence of superstorms, how else has the environment grown worse? Are sea levels significantly higher by the present day ITTL?
 
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Does the US military enjoy some autonomy from civilian oversight in ttl? Asking bc well, it'd be busier at home given the situation that's ongoing rn.
 

SuperZtar64

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Besides ozone depletion and the direct effects of UV exposure on plant life, as well as an increasing prevalence of superstorms, how else has the environment grown worse? Are sea levels significantly higher by the present day ITTL?
It seems that sea levels are certainly higher- on the Hawaii map, there are several areas that are labelled as inundated. I don't think it's SUPER high though.
 
Besides ozone depletion and the direct effects of UV exposure on plant life, as well as an increasing prevalence of superstorms, how else has the environment grown worse? Are sea levels significantly higher by the present day ITTL?
going by the hawaii map having an on-map mention of coral dieoffs and species extinction that too
 

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I'm going to be interested to see how the electoral map changes going forward- throughout the 2000s a lot of people are going to be migrating out of the South, and states at lower latitudes are going to end up losing influence in the electoral college as a result. The electoral vote layout for the 2012, 2016, and 2020 elections could be very regionally lopsided.
 
So seeing some butterflies like Russia returning to a Soviet state in the 1990s, have some events like 9/11 been butterflied in any way?
 
Wait, “former” Peru and Bolivia? What happened there? Is there some kind of federation between the two countries, have they both collapsed, or is there something else? Apologies if someone has already asked this
The answer should be incredibly obvious to anyone who knows how climate change would affect that region.
 
2004 United States presidential election & Hurricane Lisa
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CNN RSS News Feed — November 1, 2004

  • 2004 ELECTION: Last minute surge for Dean in key battleground states
  • LIVE UPDATES: Five killed, 12 severely injured in Syracuse train derailment
  • Lisa death toll tops 2,500
  • 9/11 victims’ families protest ending identification efforts
  • US gains push Asia stocks higher
  • Dean backtracks on same-sex marriage, but defends civil unions
  • China culls thousands of chickens in order to keep bird flu at bay
  • Study: El Niño behind higher carbon dioxide rates
  • Rehnquist released from hospital
  • Southern California ranked worst in nation for air pollution
  • Chemical leak in South Korea prompts evacuation
  • PDAs: The cell phone killer?
  • ‘Half-Life 2’ aims for late November release
  • Hastert dismisses assault weapons ban renewal on anniversary of Albuquerque massacre
  • More businesses adopting wireless technologies
  • Nintendo Touch to include messaging features

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View attachment 764058View attachment 764059CNN RSS News Feed — November 1, 2004
  • 2004 ELECTION: Last minute surge for Dean in key battleground states
  • LIVE UPDATES: Five killed, 12 severely injured in Syracuse train derailment
  • Lisa death toll tops 2,500
  • 9/11 victims’ families protest ending identification efforts
  • US gains push Asia stocks higher
  • Dean backtracks on same-sex marriage, but defends civil unions
  • China culls thousands of chickens in order to keep bird flu at bay
  • Study: El Niño behind higher carbon dioxide rates
  • Rehnquist released from hospital
  • Southern California ranked worst in nation for air pollution
  • Chemical leak in South Korea prompts evacuation
  • PDAs: The cell phone killer?
  • ‘Half-Life 2’ aims for late November release
  • Hastert dismisses assault weapons ban renewal on anniversary of Albuquerque massacre
  • More businesses adopting wireless technologies
  • Nintendo Touch to include messaging features

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I love how are you including how pop-culture is being affected by all of this.
 
I'm going to be interested to see how the electoral map changes going forward- throughout the 2000s a lot of people are going to be migrating out of the South, and states at lower latitudes are going to end up losing influence in the electoral college as a result. The electoral vote layout for the 2012, 2016, and 2020 elections could be very regionally lopsided.
Since censuses happen once a decade, there isn't too much change, as most of the internal migration mostly occurs after 2014. The 2020 Census definitely showed massive population disparities, which will be reflected in the 118th Congress and the 2024 election. There is also talk of making censuses every five years since the internal population distribution can change very rapidly.
So seeing some butterflies like Russia returning to a Soviet state in the 1990s, have some events like 9/11 been butterflied in any way?
9/11 is not significantly changed, as much of the planning had taken place when the butterflies were let loose.
Besides ozone depletion and the direct effects of UV exposure on plant life, as well as an increasing prevalence of superstorms, how else has the environment grown worse? Are sea levels significantly higher by the present day ITTL?
Sea levels are a bit higher, but not by much. This is actually because the ozone hole over Antarctica results in more precipitation, which can offset ice loss.
Wait, “former” Peru and Bolivia? What happened there? Is there some kind of federation between the two countries, have they both collapsed, or is there something else? Apologies if someone has already asked this
Peru has collapsed. It's technically under a UN transitional government, but whatever government is left is relegated to the Amazon and is effectively a Brazilian puppet. Much of the country is governed by Shining Path wannabes, right-wing militias claiming to be the legitimate government, cartels, and indigenous statelets. Bolivia technically still exists, but again, it relies on the Argentinian and Brazilian militaries to keep order.
 

SuperZtar64

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Since censuses happen once a decade, there isn't too much change, as most of the internal migration mostly occurs after 2014. The 2020 Census definitely showed massive population disparities, which will be reflected in the 118th Congress and the 2024 election. There is also talk of making censuses every five years since the internal population distribution can change very rapidly.
Ah, I assumed a lot of it started before 2010. Very interesting.
 
The damage of Lisa is 132 billion dollars, which would make it costlier that both Katrina and Harvey IOTL, which did 125 billion dollars in damage, the joint costliest hurricanes in history.

And three hurricanes just happen to do even more damage ITTL.

Do we want to do what monster storms can do even more havoc that? Either way, the terrifying small details that make this timeline add up more and more.
 
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