A New Beginning - Our 1992 Russian Federation

[Empress_Boogalaboo]

Honestly i feel like Lukashenko/Medvedev have just continued/stolen Nabiullina's policies and have put their name on them.

I'll so vote for her if she's candidate in next elections. I also want a female president as Russia didn't have female leader since Catherine the Great. Not to mention she is fairly competent, is peaceful enough with steady hand to guide Russian politics.

I’d be okay voting for her if we made Navalny her PM. I really want to change the party in power, we’ve had the same one since the fall of the union.

 

[shubham rai]

WTF happen in 2017-18 that our growth rate crashed. Why I am smelling Trump idiocacy.

 

[panpiotr]

Honestly i feel like Lukashenko/Medvedev have just continued/stolen Nabiullina's policies and have put their name on them.

Yes

I'll so vote for her if she's candidate in next elections. I also want a female president as Russia didn't have female leader since Catherine the Great. Not to mention she is fairly competent, is peaceful enough with steady hand to guide Russian polit

And yes she will be candidate in 2011 pres elections and her party in legislative elections also that year

 

[panpiotr]

I’d be okay voting for her if we made Navalny her PM. I really want to change the party in power, we’ve had the same one since the fall of the union

In triangle struggle in 2011 between Lukashenko, Navalny and Nabiullina this outcome is most likely I think.

 

[panpiotr]

So we will end up with new technocratic-libertarian Russia

 

[Kriss]

I’d be okay voting for her if we made Navalny her PM. I really want to change the party in power, we’ve had the same one since the fall of the union.

Nothing against it, given that Navalny is more nationalistic here this will make sense for the events that will happen in Ukraine and our decisions for it.

 

[dunHozzie]

And global ranking if you could

So compared to OTL 2009 is:

1. United States - 110,26%
2. China - 149,13%
3. Japan - 130,25%
4. Union State - 403,99%
5. Germany - 143,79%
6. United Kingdom - 121,43%
7. France - 107,41%
8. Italy - 107,19%
9. Brazil - 128,76%
10. India - 146,80%
11. South Korea - 200,73%
12. Canada - 130,51%
13. Spain - 104,43%
14. Ukraine - 861,86%
15. Australia -100,40%

Ukraine is a wonder of the world, Korea went nuts too. And obviously the Union State. Before I finish my Sheet, are you sure these are the numbers you want? @panpiotr

 

[shubham rai]

So we will end up with new technocratic-libertarian Russia

Does Putin get a chance in 2019 or 23.

 

[panpiotr]

So compared to OTL 2009 is:

1. United States - 110,26%
2. China - 149,13%
3. Japan - 130,25%
4. Union State - 403,99%
5. Germany - 143,79%
6. United Kingdom - 121,43%
7. France - 107,41%
8. Italy - 107,19%
9. Brazil - 128,76%
10. India - 146,80%
11. South Korea - 200,73%
12. Canada - 130,51%
13. Spain - 104,43%
14. Ukraine - 861,86%
15. Australia -100,40%

Ukraine is a wonder of the world, Korea went nuts too. And obviously the Union State. Before I finish my Sheet, are you sure these are the numbers you want? @panpiotr

Yup

 

[panpiotr]

Does Putin get a chance in 2019 or 23.

Nope, he is TTL chairman of FSB and our Herbert Hoover, and leader of Russian Deep State.

 

[Kriss]

Does Putin get a chance in 2019 or 23.

Nope, he is TTL chairman of FSB and our Herbert Hoover, and leader of Russian Deep State.

Or better said why engage in stupid politics/democratic elections with terms limits when you can have nice appointed position for years on account of being irreplaceable.

 

[Gaúcho Maldito]

Or better said why engage in stupid politics/democratic elections with terms limits when you can have nice appointed position for years on account of being irreplaceable.

Sometimes people just want to leave their mark on history and a backstage post isn't enough.

The Sejanus Curse.

 

[ProgressiveIsraelFan]

Voting for Nawalny in 2011.
Will Ksenia Sobchak run at some point?

 

[panpiotr]

Will Ksenia Sobchak run at some point?

I think yes.

 

[dunHozzie]

Yup

Country	2009​	2010​	2011​	2012​	2013​	2014​	2015​	2016​	2017​	2018​	2019​	2020​	2021​	2022​	2023​	2024​	2025​	2026​	2027​	2028​
United States	$15.964.100​	$16.348.040​	$16.946.332​	$17.657.031​	$18.297.174​	$19.065.693​	$19.777.614​	$20.308.908​	$21.158.683​	$22.305.541​	$23.226.607​	$22.539.840​	$24.583.538​	$26.450.681​	$27.580.961​	$28.198.092​	$28.855.909​	$29.578.750​	$30.302.795​	$31.052.622​
China​	$7.476.673​	$8.864.815​	$11.007.449​	$12.546.232​	$14.140.804​	$15.462.062​	$16.327.804​	$16.494.394​	$18.020.040​	$20.336.189​	$21.069.001​	$21.512.692​	$25.325.116​	$25.128.762​	$24.500.196​	$25.309.112​	$26.575.822​	$27.874.198​	$29.067.148​	$30.329.918​
Union State​	$5.862.813​	$6.962.206​	$8.661.805​	$9.884.789​	$11.153.666​	$12.206.240​	$12.896.518​	$13.029.415​	$14.246.620​	$16.096.076​	$16.681.896​	$17.295.150​	$20.699.717​	$20.849.253​	$20.630.942​	$21.642.279​	$23.081.101​	$24.587.325​	$26.039.146​	$27.593.926​
India​	$2.004.400​	$2.558.221​	$2.784.406​	$2.847.236​	$2.950.397​	$3.305.051​	$3.477.721​	$3.869.711​	$4.560.598​	$4.742.086​	$5.074.353​	$4.876.472​	$5.865.270​	$6.437.173​	$7.229.416​	$8.111.275​	$9.092.644​	$10.178.479​	$11.379.610​	$12.712.854​
Germany​	$4.899.560​	$4.892.208​	$5.390.008​	$5.074.719​	$5.368.734​	$5.593.378​	$4.828.198​	$4.987.756​	$5.305.020​	$5.717.250​	$5.592.676​	$5.585.498​	$6.155.941​	$5.874.601​	$6.369.448​	$6.759.159​	$7.132.165​	$7.450.643​	$7.660.786​	$7.849.598​
Japan​	$7.233.965​	$7.876.164​	$8.524.515​	$8.578.145​	$7.128.432​	$6.697.179​	$6.078.932​	$6.843.080​	$6.743.462​	$6.893.959​	$6.999.421​	$6.907.364​	$6.854.282​	$5.795.285​	$5.786.169​	$5.861.832​	$6.187.928​	$6.441.637​	$6.664.581​	$7.054.032​
United Kingdom​	$2.946.290​	$3.028.321​	$3.238.972​	$3.286.944​	$3.385.675​	$3.724.095​	$3.564.639​	$3.290.412​	$3.261.219​	$3.499.478​	$3.471.406​	$3.286.604​	$3.792.597​	$3.742.373​	$4.046.181​	$4.356.671​	$4.650.894​	$4.958.364​	$5.263.153​	$5.557.059​
South Korea​	$1.894.330​	$2.295.439​	$2.515.938​	$2.565.371​	$2.751.217​	$2.979.756​	$2.942.722​	$3.009.610​	$3.257.932​	$3.463.273​	$3.314.836​	$3.301.293​	$3.650.067​	$3.359.987​	$3.430.874​	$3.582.569​	$3.760.285​	$3.928.919​	$4.100.233​	$4.274.315​
France​	$2.897.960​	$2.843.601​	$3.077.016​	$2.884.443​	$3.020.372​	$3.068.474​	$2.620.276​	$2.655.557​	$2.786.551​	$2.999.216​	$2.931.490​	$2.841.402​	$3.177.746​	$2.986.233​	$3.275.046​	$3.419.484​	$3.562.652​	$3.693.760​	$3.799.526​	$3.904.200​
Brazil​	$2.149.200​	$2.843.839​	$3.365.716​	$3.172.616​	$3.182.485​	$3.162.318​	$2.317.667​	$2.313.258​	$2.656.904​	$2.468.167​	$2.411.968​	$1.900.557​	$2.123.992​	$2.472.144​	$2.738.394​	$2.916.474​	$3.041.426​	$3.188.804​	$3.389.133​	$3.572.294​
Canada​	$1.796.510​	$2.110.830​	$2.340.508​	$2.386.233​	$2.410.029​	$2.356.722​	$2.031.430​	$1.994.219​	$2.152.491​	$2.251.724​	$2.275.771​	$2.150.314​	$2.612.182​	$2.790.268​	$2.763.991​	$2.921.601​	$3.086.024​	$3.229.299​	$3.372.177​	$3.522.995​
Italy​	$2.355.540​	$2.291.553​	$2.459.569​	$2.238.424​	$2.295.957​	$2.318.052​	$1.968.889​	$2.011.476​	$2.102.105​	$2.243.356​	$2.156.151​	$2.031.991​	$2.267.882​	$2.156.675​	$2.343.258​	$2.448.306​	$2.535.614​	$2.619.170​	$2.689.003​	$2.756.385​
Ukraine​	$1.009.058​	$1.209.726​	$1.450.299​	$1.563.453​	$1.630.418​	$1.186.431​	$808.690​	$830.276​	$997.294​	$1.164.409​	$1.369.281​	$1.120.741​	$1.312.557​	$1.465.854​	$1.811.468​	$1.994.148​	$2.081.181​	$2.171.296​	$2.260.060​	$2.356.753​
Australia​	$1.004.800​	$1.259.489​	$1.521.131​	$1.575.690​	$1.525.108​	$1.462.449​	$1.238.036​	$1.268.574​	$1.387.181​	$1.422.726​	$1.391.022​	$1.366.291​	$1.651.883​	$1.709.362​	$1.694.462​	$1.692.406​	$1.788.051​	$1.878.240​	$1.968.886​	$2.061.770​
Spain​	$1.555.850​	$1.486.318​	$1.546.030​	$1.384.311​	$1.415.649​	$1.432.958​	$1.249.270​	$1.287.844​	$1.370.935​	$1.485.354​	$1.456.246​	$1.333.679​	$1.510.695​	$1.481.771​	$1.652.135​	$1.750.806​	$1.829.545​	$1.896.499​	$1.953.169​	$2.011.497​

	2009​	2010​	2011​	2012​	2013​	2014​	2015​	2016​	2017​	2018​	2019​	2020​	2021​	2022​	2023​	2024​	2025​	2026​	2027​	2028​
US Growth YoY	100,00%​	102,41%​	103,66%​	104,19%​	103,63%​	104,20%​	103,73%​	102,69%​	104,18%​	105,42%​	104,13%​	97,04%​	109,07%​	107,60%​	104,27%​	102,24%​	102,33%​	102,51%​	102,45%​	102,47%​
Chinese Growth YoY​	100,00%​	118,57%​	124,17%​	113,98%​	112,71%​	109,34%​	105,60%​	101,02%​	109,25%​	112,85%​	103,60%​	102,11%​	117,72%​	99,22%​	97,50%​	103,30%​	105,00%​	104,89%​	104,28%​	104,34%​
Union State Growth YoY​	100,00%​	119,75%​	120,41%​	116,12%​	112,84%​	110,44%​	105,66%​	103,03%​	109,34%​	110,98%​	105,64%​	105,68%​	114,69%​	100,72%​	98,95%​	104,90%​	107,65%​	105,53%​	105,90%​	105,97%​

	2009​	2010​	2011​	2012​	2013​	2014​	2015​	2016​	2017​	2018​	2019​	2020​	2021​	2022​	2023​	2024​	2025​	2026​	2027​	2028​
Union state GDP as % of China's	78,41%​	79,20%​	76,80%​	78,24%​	78,33%​	79,12%​	79,16%​	80,73%​	80,80%​	79,46%​	81,02%​	83,86%​	81,69%​	82,93%​	84,16%​	85,47%​	87,62%​	88,15%​	89,53%​	90,92%​
Union state GDP as % of USA's	36,72%​	42,95%​	49,89%​	55,60%​	60,54%​	64,16%​	65,35%​	65,57%​	68,81%​	72,45%​	73,50%​	80,03%​	84,16%​	78,78%​	74,76%​	76,71%​	80,69%​	83,07%​	85,88%​	88,81%​

 

[panpiotr]

Country​	2009​	2010​	2011​	2012​	2013​	2014​	2015​	2016​	2017​	2018​	2019​
United States​	$15.964.100​	$16.593.626​	$17.200.905​	$17.922.281​	$18.572.040​	$19.352.104​	$20.074.720​	$20.613.995​	$21.476.536​	$22.640.622​	$23.575.525​
China​	$7.588.990​	$8.997.985​	$11.172.806​	$12.734.706​	$14.353.232​	$15.694.338​	$16.573.086​	$16.742.178​	$18.290.743​	$20.641.686​	$21.385.506​
Japan​	$6.889.490​	$7.501.109​	$8.118.586​	$8.169.661​	$6.788.982​	$6.378.266​	$5.789.459​	$6.517.219​	$6.422.344​	$6.565.675​	$6.666.115​
Union State​	$5.283.930​	$6.111.236​	$6.981.152​	$7.711.717​	$8.195.322​	$8.288.971​	$9.147.660​	$10.464.518​	$10.886.856​	$11.330.662​	$13.804.035​
Germany​	$4.899.560​	$4.892.208​	$5.390.008​	$5.074.719​	$5.368.734​	$5.593.378​	$4.828.198​	$4.987.756​	$5.305.020​	$5.717.250​	$5.592.676​
France​	$2.897.960​	$2.843.601​	$3.077.016​	$2.884.443​	$3.020.372​	$3.068.474​	$2.620.276​	$2.655.557​	$2.786.551​	$2.999.216​	$2.931.490​
United Kingdom​	$2.946.290​	$3.028.321​	$3.238.972​	$3.286.944​	$3.385.675​	$3.724.095​	$3.564.639​	$3.290.412​	$3.261.219​	$3.499.478​	$3.471.406​
Brazil​	$2.355.540​	$3.116.869​	$3.688.851​	$3.477.212​	$3.488.028​	$3.465.925​	$2.540.181​	$2.535.349​	$2.911.988​	$2.705.131​	$2.643.536​
Italy​	$2.355.540​	$2.291.553​	$2.459.569​	$2.238.424​	$2.295.957​	$2.318.052​	$1.968.889​	$2.011.476​	$2.102.105​	$2.243.356​	$2.156.151​
India​	$2.004.400​	$2.508.060​	$2.676.284​	$2.683.015​	$2.725.711​	$2.993.487​	$3.088.117​	$3.368.817​	$3.892.427​	$3.967.965​	$4.162.737​
Canada​	$1.796.510​	$2.110.830​	$2.340.508​	$2.386.233​	$2.410.029​	$2.356.722​	$2.031.430​	$1.994.219​	$2.152.491​	$2.251.724​	$2.275.771​
Spain​	$1.555.850​	$1.486.318​	$1.546.030​	$1.384.311​	$1.415.649​	$1.432.958​	$1.249.270​	$1.287.844​	$1.370.935​	$1.485.354​	$1.456.246​
Australia​	$1.004.800​	$1.259.489​	$1.521.131​	$1.575.690​	$1.525.108​	$1.462.449​	$1.238.036​	$1.268.574​	$1.387.181​	$1.422.726​	$1.391.022​
South Korea​	$1.894.330​	$2.295.439​	$2.515.938​	$2.565.371​	$2.751.217​	$2.979.756​	$2.942.722​	$3.009.610​	$3.257.932​	$3.463.273​	$3.314.836​
Bonus: Ukraine​	$1.009.058​	$1.172.225​	$1.405.342​	$1.514.988​	$1.579.877​	$1.149.653​	$783.621​	$804.538​	$966.379​	$1.128.314​	$1.326.835​

If I use the numbers I had:

Country​	2009​	2010​	2011​	2012​	2013​	2014​	2015​	2016​	2017​	2018​	2019​
United States​	$15.964.100​	$16.593.626​	$17.200.905​	$17.922.281​	$18.572.040​	$19.352.104​	$20.074.720​	$20.613.995​	$21.476.536​	$22.640.622​	$23.575.525​
China​	$7.588.990​	$8.997.985​	$11.172.806​	$12.734.706​	$14.353.232​	$15.694.338​	$16.573.086​	$16.742.178​	$18.290.743​	$20.641.686​	$21.385.506​
Japan​	$6.889.490​	$7.501.109​	$8.118.586​	$8.169.661​	$6.788.982​	$6.378.266​	$5.789.459​	$6.517.219​	$6.422.344​	$6.565.675​	$6.666.115​
Union State​	$5.283.930​	$6.111.236​	$6.981.152​	$7.711.717​	$8.195.322​	$8.288.971​	$9.147.660​	$10.464.518​	$10.886.856​	$11.330.662​	$13.804.035​
Germany​	$4.899.560​	$4.892.208​	$5.390.008​	$5.074.719​	$5.368.734​	$5.593.378​	$4.828.198​	$4.987.756​	$5.305.020​	$5.717.250​	$5.592.676​
France​	$2.897.960​	$2.843.601​	$3.077.016​	$2.884.443​	$3.020.372​	$3.068.474​	$2.620.276​	$2.655.557​	$2.786.551​	$2.999.216​	$2.931.490​
United Kingdom​	$2.946.290​	$3.028.321​	$3.238.972​	$3.286.944​	$3.385.675​	$3.724.095​	$3.564.639​	$3.290.412​	$3.261.219​	$3.499.478​	$3.471.406​
Brazil​	$2.355.540​	$3.116.869​	$3.688.851​	$3.477.212​	$3.488.028​	$3.465.925​	$2.540.181​	$2.535.349​	$2.911.988​	$2.705.131​	$2.643.536​
Italy​	$2.355.540​	$2.291.553​	$2.459.569​	$2.238.424​	$2.295.957​	$2.318.052​	$1.968.889​	$2.011.476​	$2.102.105​	$2.243.356​	$2.156.151​
India​	$2.004.400​	$2.508.060​	$2.676.284​	$2.683.015​	$2.725.711​	$2.993.487​	$3.088.117​	$3.368.817​	$3.892.427​	$3.967.965​	$4.162.737​
Canada​	$1.796.510​	$2.110.830​	$2.340.508​	$2.386.233​	$2.410.029​	$2.356.722​	$2.031.430​	$1.994.219​	$2.152.491​	$2.251.724​	$2.275.771​
Spain​	$1.555.850​	$1.486.318​	$1.546.030​	$1.384.311​	$1.415.649​	$1.432.958​	$1.249.270​	$1.287.844​	$1.370.935​	$1.485.354​	$1.456.246​
Australia​	$1.004.800​	$1.259.489​	$1.521.131​	$1.575.690​	$1.525.108​	$1.462.449​	$1.238.036​	$1.268.574​	$1.387.181​	$1.422.726​	$1.391.022​
South Korea​	$1.894.330​	$2.295.439​	$2.515.938​	$2.565.371​	$2.751.217​	$2.979.756​	$2.942.722​	$3.009.610​	$3.257.932​	$3.463.273​	$3.314.836​
Bonus: Ukraine​	$1.009.058​	$1.172.225​	$1.405.342​	$1.514.988​	$1.579.877​	$1.149.653​	$783.621​	$804.538​	$966.379​	$1.128.314​	$1.326.835​

We'd catch up to China and get close to the US by 2025, which isn't the case with your numbers. The rest gets too much of a boost.

Many thanks, and who are top 10 countries by military spending in 2009?

 

[Kriss]

Nice Union State is solid third place while China is slowly threatening to overtake USA.

 

[dunHozzie]

Many thanks, and who are top 10 countries by military spending in 2009?

1. USA - $661 B
2. Union State - $117 B
3. China - $100 B to $150 B
4. France - $63.9 B
5. UK - $58.3 B
6. Japan - $51 B
7. Germany - $45.6 B
8. Saudi-Arabia $41.3 B
9. India - $36.3 B
10. Italy - $35.8 B

I don't think the increased GDPs in most of the Western world would significantly change the military budgets compared to OTL. Not because there will not be more support for increased money because due to the scare not so long ago there absolutely will be, but there are also crisises to combat, so IMHO there will mainly be a focus on making the military forces more ready for conflict over long winded purchases. E.g. maybe some less F-35s, in favor of existing available planes and such.

 

[Kriss]

And for post-2019, these are the numbers if we continue my numbers.

Honestly i don't really see us continuing to grow to fast, or overtaking China/USA, especially not in 2024.

It's quite probable/inevitable that we will slow down eventually until we are pushed to fourth place by India far into the future.

Honestly @panpiotr numbers seem more realistic to me.

 

[Red Angel]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind just staying in the fourth or fifth place since the US, China and India will economically compete with each other for staying in the top 3 spots.